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@ophadece Sorry to barge in. Please use examples for claims of inconsistency and integrity. Cantor Ibrahim is very meticulous and knows very well exactly what he's saying.
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Can you post the earliest manuscript Rem?? Thank you
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This whole topic is understudied. It shouldnt be handled just by what the bishops are used to or what they think. Even if the rite has been handed down mournful it may not be correct.There needs to be a whole study done on how this rite originated …
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What is your email?
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@minasafwat can you please send or post the recordings of Cantor Habib and Cantor Lotfy. Here is what Wagdi told me when i emailed him about this hymn years back... The "Great Tishori", I learned it from a live recording by Deacon Wagih from the St.…
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If this is the case then it should be festive :)
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After reviewing the rite briefly, the only thing that should be changed based on being a lent weekday, are the verses of cymbals, which should be replaced with Kyrie Eleyson, and saying Aki as we do during the entire fast. Everything else is specifi…
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We only have 4 hymns preserved from the Cyrilian Liturgy. The introduction to the commemoration (Nenioty)The conclusion of the commemoration (Okoty Je Anon)The diptych (Owoh Nai Nem also said in Basil) The two parts of "That I may praise You" and …
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Muallem Mikhail also recorded Okoti je Anon as well. and I have that recording.
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@Minatasgeel Muallem Tawfik recorded, Nenioty, Okoti, and The part that is supposedly like khen oushot is not actually supposed to be. I have the recording of muallem tawfik saying it in the same tune used by Abouna Mettias.
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@minatasgeel because on the post that i saw from a while back you were also interested lol
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Please let me know what you guys think :) Pray for me
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@minatasgeel I just wanted to clarify some of the points about Meghalo because i saw an older post and there seemed to be confusion. Meghalo was originally said in its entirety by muallem tawfik. He was said to have learned it from muallem mikhail.…
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Yes I cans end it to you by email a little later today... Or you can listen to it now on my soundcloud... My name on there is Danny dandoona girgis
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is there an audio file for this? I tried to convert from video to audio but the format is difficult.
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If you have the recording with Muallem Gad and Reda Barsoum please send or post the link
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The second and third verses in the short tune are taken from Alexandria. Muallem Habib el Mirahem used to sing the hymn this way. Afterwards Muallem Zaher recorded them and it became widespread. Personally, I love it this way and it makes a lot more…
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Augustine has been written in it but There is much controversy over it
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@Minatasgeel I think the issue isnt the fact that it has pieces of all those hymns but rather that it flows in and out of the original tune of niethnos teero and then has transitions that dont match. Many hymns have this many pieces of other hymns b…
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Muallem Gad mentioned in a recent interview that he has heard of this hymn but has not received it. After listening to this recording, i am very skeptical of this hymn as it doesnt seem to make much musical sense lol but it was a worth a listen
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Sure Rem. As far as i was told... The priest would put the incense into the censer and the deacon cense. Deacon Antonios actually mentioned this as well in a recent convention and used Saint Athanasius as a source. Also up until two decades ago, dea…
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Well, St. Athanasius does mention that the deacons in the original church were the ones who did use the censer. Also, this rite is preserved in many other orthodox churches
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They said the long Pauline last year on one of the feasts, i forget which. I do miss hearing Is pateer and tobh hina
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actually old manuscripts say that it should be prayed in all months no exceptions. The exceptions of tuba and amshir are new
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Just as I thought
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The way you have set up the question and the forum gives you the answer. The truth is that we need to know our orthodox faith. Now if the protestant teaching is not against our faith than it is acceptable as long as it fits in with the spirit of the…
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It is similar but it is different. Not completely the same. I have M. Fahims but M. Ibrahims is much better.
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Yes going along with Minas post. There are specific gospel responses for vespers, matins and liturgy for every week! not just the two stated above. I have another question. Muallem Ibrahim and Muallem Fahim have recorded a kiahk tune for the Adam …
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The tunes of the morning doxology and the verses of cymbals dont change at all. The tune of the doxologies changes including shere ne o tiparthenos. Actually, in changes from Tiparthenos mariam. The recording is here on the website under Cantor Ib…
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Is it as complete as the book from the Sourian Monastery Mina?