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i was shooting for 11 here :D
- Chris
^original words.... haha, ny opinions?
okay, ill stop now... it was fun while it lasted people!
moving on... :)
Moving on to prom and dancing thread!
LOL!
Defender
Are we allowed to drink?
He replied, yes of course we can drink, I'm drinking now, before taking a sip of water.
GB,
CS
Defender
sleepy
:'(
I also wanna see Ommena Iriny,
God Willing I will
Defender
Who's Ommena Iriny?
sleepy
come to America one time and ull get to see HH lol... awesome guy!
Defender
18For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, "He has a demon.' 19The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, "Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is justified by her children" Matt 11
and the word "drinking" in the arabic Bible is 7amer = booz (sorry if i didn't write the arabic word right if someone out there knows how to write it right please do)
God Bless.
Mike
what do you think of drinking? Assuming you are of age and all
I see nothing wrong with it, so long as its done in moderation. Christ changed water to wine for a marriage. It means that it was a problem: There was no alcohol.
Having said that, the ONLY Church that does not allow alcohol to be drunk in its Church halls is the Coptic Church (The Armenian, Indian, Ethiopian, Greek, Russian, Catholics etc) ALL allow alcohol to be drunk for baptisms or weddings.
I think this goes back again to what's culture and what's spirituality.
Do you know how people talk about good and bad cholesterol? Well alcohol at one drink a day, can increase good cholesterol and decrease bad cholesterol. One more drink, and the reverse happens. And this must be an ongoing thing.
Alcohol is linked with many problems. The worst being that beer gut lol. I am apparently underweight- and I want to keep it that way :P It causes a lot of brain problems (neuropathies esp. cereballar dysfunction and cerebral atrophy), liver problems (cirrhosis) and Gut problems (ulcers, bleeds that can be fatal).
So if you can stick to one drink a day for a few days a week, I think that is all right. But binge drinking, or drinking any more than what I found to be acceptable clinically speaking, is dangerous to not only your health but your image of God.
I think if you ban alcohol, you will just increase the attraction of it. I have sensible drinking habits I believe. I only drink a glass with family on very solemn occasions. Beer...that's just disgusting. And how many calories! By the way, any amount of alcohol is toxic to your liver- but it has some protective effects for the heart that is lost with just one serve above.
Do you know how people talk about good and bad cholesterol? Well alcohol at one drink a day, can increase good cholesterol and decrease bad cholesterol. One more drink, and the reverse happens. And this must be an ongoing thing.
Alcohol is linked with many problems. The worst being that beer gut lol. I am apparently underweight- and I want to keep it that way :P It causes a lot of brain problems (neuropathies esp. cereballar dysfunction and cerebral atrophy), liver problems (cirrhosis) and Gut problems (ulcers, bleeds that can be fatal).
So if you can stick to one drink a day for a few days a week, I think that is all right. But binge drinking, or drinking any more than what I found to be acceptable clinically speaking, is dangerous to not only your health but your image of God.
Guys, im talking about just moderate drinking.. such as wine etc.
Actually, in France, drinking wine is obligatory in meals & weddings etc. Not liquer.. I mean, are u all talking about whiskey etc???
If u are talking about malibu and whiskey etc, then this doesnt even taste nice. In fact, we use mainly as a medicament to help us if we are sooo cold and freezing.
Could one summarise as follows:
There is nothing in the Orthodox Faith that bans the use of alcohol; indeed, despite what one earlier poster wrote, there is no firm evidence that in turning water into wine, Our Lord turned it into grape juice; it was wine - the alcoholic sort that still gets served at weddings in many countries.
That conceded, there is everything in the practice of the Faith that speaks against the excessive use of wine. For much the reasons offered on the 'smoking' thread, excessive use of alcohol is sinful: it can become an addiction; it can cause you to harm yourself and others; it can remove your senses in a way that leads you into very sinful behaviour.
Therefore, let us use, with sense and moderation the gifts which the Lord has given us; if we have not the sense or the strength to do that, let us abstain rather than run the risks of drinking too much. My eldest son, who is a Baptist pastor, decided some years ago to abstain totally from alcohol, but he does so as an exercise in asceticism - a sacrifice to the Lord of something he likes. His brother, who is also a devout man, drinks in moderation. From the point of view of Christian doctrine, neither of them is more correct than the other.
Does that take us towards a consensus?
In Christ,
Anglian
There are so many proverbs on wine drinking and the idea of being drunk I guess after reading through everyone posts every one realises that drinking wine/alcohol and becoming drunk is no use bad for heath and definitely separates one from God I hope everyone has befitted up to this point up till now in this 8 pg discussion of “drinking”!
To reafrim if a person goes out to get drunk as someone earlier said what is his objective then, it is get fun and party and enjoy right. To increase ur spirits and bring u to a good mood. Well this would be good if one could keep sin out it but is not so the case in being supposedly happy by drinking and elevating oneself to the effects of drinking also elevates one self to pleasure of the flesh and invariantly increases ur chance to commit sin in the flesh. The biggest reason why this happens and a person falls is because drinking takes the fear of God away from a person. Drinking gives the soul and flesh charge over the spirit. Wisdom and knowledge usually forfeit a person when he is drunk. I bet all of u who have being drunk have experienced this. .
So getting drunk is wrong going out to get drunk and party is wrong is a sin all of us who go out and loose our selves into drinking is as sin as much as adultery.
When is it right to drink.
I believe it is right to drink when people are drinking not for the sake of getting happy by being intoxicated with alcohol but rather when there is a special occasion or so even then becoming a drunk should be refrained from and everyone should bring about the quick judgement of oneself to the fact that if he is getting tipsy best to leave straight away or to isolate themselves and allow the alcohol to wear off. That is good and cannot be seen as sin because u have done a righteous deed in trying to control ur self. If one the other hand, a person abuses alcohol because it is his sister’s weeding he is in sin and therefore is prone to commit sin.
Also those of us have a great desire to gfet drunk should remember the verse below and weep for themselves to falling for sour wine(white wine) brought pain and discomfort and everything opposite to what one gets from drinking. Below is a great meditation by abba Isaiah on the process of fermentation and how something as this can be seen as a opportunity to grow towards God.
Some good advice that was given to monks and could be seen as beneficial.
forgive me if i have offended anyone.
Everyone here has made some great valid points. For those of u confused about the mystery of Eucharist should go back to the topic of confession and communion and should read…. also don’t bring it down to such a view of it being bread and wine and the fact it what it is not but only our faith and not in reality such a doubt is enmity against the mystery it self just believe what is said and interrupted by our fathers and leave the rest as mystery so as u don’t elevate ur self above the mystery approach it in awe, fear and reverence least u be judged on the judgment day!!!!!!!
plz p4m