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minasoliman, please take it easy, i'm just saying that it's the same in the sense that the church is making claims for something that it has nothing to do with and what's even worse, without any scientific basis. Minazaki, I totally agree. Let us p…
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Khristos Anesti, Alitos Anesti, All i'm gonna say is thank you guys for putting the voice of reason into this. I agree with what you are all saying. I personally don't think the decision is attacking OB only at this point, but also anyone who is t…
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I don't have any sources, but... I think the reason preservation was banned was because of the attacks that were occurring on churches like what's happening now in Egypt. I wonder if there is any ancient church in Egypt that still has the place wher…
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So, here is a rough translation by me about the dress of clergy by ebn sebaa3 from "elgawhara elnafisa..." Chapter 61. "As for the priestly garment, which is seven parts as the number of the orders of the church. The first is the tonya (Stycharion…
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Believe me when I say that in the Dialogues, the problem is not from the Oriental side but from the EO side. The agreements have been reached, but there are factions from the EO who are unwilling to agree. So stop accusing our theologians that the…
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Haha...I know. I could still see the corruption making its way through. It's one possibility. Maybe someone can find some evidence of what bornos really is.
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George, I know you're gonna hate me for this, but here is where I think bornos comes from The greek word for the vestment is Omophorion Take out the omo, you get phorion the fi (ph) can easily be pronounced b if read in bohairic (this is why you'll…
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"The wages of sin is death." (Rom 6:23) Paraphrased: The consequence or reward of sin is death sounds like punishment to me. God's punishment doesn't mean He doesn't love us. "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten." (Rev. 3:19). Chastening ac…
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I'm not saying anything about facts. But it is all possibilities. I don't think we will find any evidence, but we just speculate with the information we have.
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If The Emperor Heraclius story is true, then it has nothing to do with us, because the eight week fast was in place prior to 634 AD. St. Severus lived an entire century prior to that and He spoke of an 8 week fast. And like we said, in Jerusalem, t…
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[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=14319.msg163725#msg163725 date=1362962400] Theory #2 - The Weekend Exemption This theory states that an ancient historian (I forget her name) in the 6th century observed that the Palestinian Christians had an 8 wee…
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Good question. In my church, we used to use both the bishara (The Gospels) and the cross together for the Pauline and Acts processions and the raising of incense procession, then we changed it to just the cross for all three. I will not mention any…
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I just noticed while using the App that if you try to jump to the date using the Calendar tab on the right of the screen, then the problem occurs. BUT...if you update the app using the reload symbol on the bottom left of the home screen. Then use t…
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Guys, #1, ur both really annoying #2, stop complicating things #3, just b/c the EO say something doesn't mean it's right. #4, just because the Catholic church says something doesn't mean it's wrong. #5, In my opinion, they have a tendency to compli…
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Hi all, I just want to say one thing. What iMikhail is saying is right. But please don't bother Abouna Shenouda with phone calls. He won't get any rest if he gets phone calls from all of you. Also, another thing, there is a lot of things that ar…
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It seems like this discussion has become more about persons than about the discussioon. Fr. Peter, for your sake and for everyone else's sake, I would ask you to just close the discussion. No one is questioning Fr. Peter's scholarly credentials. …
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Obviously it's not getting across iMikhail. The quote by St. Seuerus has not been provided in context, so no Fr. Peter, I am sorry, it is not clear. The OO synods have ratified the agreement, the EO have not. There is no such thing as a one way a…
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Just to Clarify. #1: No disrespect to Fr. Peter, Sorry if you have been offended. #2: The only source that was provided was a quote by St. Severus which may be understood differently, ( I already replied to it). #3: My source and iMikhail sources…
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[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=13480.msg157484#msg157484 date=1341850080] I don't really want to continue participating in this thread. My views are known. I believe they are the authentic Orthodox Tradition. [/quote] Same here.
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Like I said, topic is too big for a forum. Anyways... We are not talking about laws of Egypt, or marriage between members of the same orthodox family. This has nothing to do with the discussion. We are talking about communion between the oriental…
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Baptizing Catholics is right. Not baptizing is wrong. What individual priests think is not my concern. This is the official position of the church including what I said about E.O. I know E.O who were baptized into Coptic church. But our individua…
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Jonathan, By your logic, we don't need to baptize catholics because, after all, they were baptized by priests. And when it comes to communion and confession and chrismation...I don't know what you are trying to say. But Communion simply means wer…
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Hello all, Peace and Grace My understanding is that most of the Eastern Orthodox churches have not signed the agreement yet, including the Russians. Therefore, we are not in communion with the Eastern Orthodox Churches. In other words (for most) …
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Article about the Holy Myron. http://www.michellabs.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49:holy-myron&catid=25:faith-and-evangelism&Itemid=22&lang=en&showall=1
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The Baptism of Christ in the eastern tradition is part of the Theophany of God (which includes Christmas and Baptism). One of the ways that God revealed himself to us in the "end of times" is through his birth and revelation at the baptism (Father's…
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The way I look at it is the bishop has all the ranks...while all the ranks under him are ordained as helpers. They are only allowed to do what the bishop allows them to do. The closer you are to a bishop, the more you can do. For example: The psa…
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Coptic and proud, We are just talking here about the meanings of the ranks and the responsibilities. but don't forget that we also said that the lower ranks are called upon to carry out the roles of the deacon and subdeacon since they are not so pre…
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Timothy, I was just talking about what they originally used to do. The chorus is part of the congregation. The only reason you need to wear anything is to enter the sanctuary. Pope Shenouda tried to enforce this especially for vespers. Currently O…
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I'm going to reply just to give a sense of how lost we are in terms of who is supposed to wear what. Originally, The only people who should be wearing anything are the altar servants of that day. Meaning serving priest, helper priests, serving dea…
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Xristos anesti! Our Pascha week ends with the feast of Pascha. So we call our Easter Pascha as well (عيد الفصح). Pascha is the Greek rendition of the word fes7 (فصح). The f is interchangeable with p or b and the 7 is not in the Greek language, s…