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What you are saying makes sense if we are talking about mere poems. Here we are talking about hymns which their purpose is delivering faith in a musical mold, praying to and praising God.
The other point I like to make is that there is a structure of how Coptic verses are structured regardless of the language used and keeping the meaning intact.
you know....you puzzle me sometimes. it looks like your view are just too broad that sometimes they contradict each other.
i can get the part about praying and praising God.....but you also have favored rhymed coptic psalies and hymns and said that it was a crucial part in them being authentic and purely coptic in nature.
in the beginning of this post you said that o kerios was not suitable to be said in the Church for the reason of it's age yet you accept and "newer" version of it (as weak as that sounds)......
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What you are saying makes sense if we are talking about mere poems. Here we are talking about hymns which their purpose is delivering faith in a musical mold, praying to and praising God.
The other point I like to make is that there is a structure of how Coptic verses are structured regardless of the language used and keeping the meaning intact.
you know....you puzzle me sometimes. it looks like your view are just too broad that sometimes they contradict each other.
i can get the part about praying and praising God.....but you also have favored rhymed coptic psalies and hymns and said that it was a crucial part in them being authentic and purely coptic in nature.
in the beginning of this post you said that o kerios was not suitable to be said in the Church for the reason of it's age yet you accept and "newer" version of it (as weak as that sounds)......
Be specific in pointing where you think I contradict myself, so may be I can explain myself better.
O kirios as it stands with its rhyming pattern does not make sense. What does that have to do with authenticity, favoring newer versions, ...
Are you suggesting that newer hymns are not rhyming?
I am sorry. I have to say I am confused by your post.
To rectify this difficulty, one has to learn Greek and attempt to amend the text. The other alternative is to construct a new text with the same meaning in Coptic which is what Fr Shenouda Maher did http://www.michellabs.com/joomla/media/system/pdf/Doxology of Our Saints.pdf
My understanding is that since Greek was used one Egypt was hellenised, attempting to re-write new texts in Greek - unless correcting a typo - will not be helpful. The majority of the Coptic hymns are written in Coptic. So, it's only logical to carry on the tradition, since the church keeps its music, hymns, language, costumes, hierarchy and even the outline of architecture.
It is interesting that in that pdf file the equivalent hymn to Ⲟ Ⲕⲩⲣⲓⲟⲥ is written only in transliterated English!
Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡ̀ϭⲥ
http://media.stshenoudamonastery.org/
I guess it will be in recording tape 32. The above link is for the contents of his teaching tape. and the lower link has all his audio recordings for Coptic language in Old Bohairic pronunciation.
I guess the way he wrote was to emphasise that it was written with rhyme scheme and meter devised for OB pronunciation.
I don't think he'd be ever happy if anyone would sing his work in Greco-Bohairic pronunciation. It's not hard to re-write it in Coptic from the translation and the transription.