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Pray for our Church in Egypt
Hello everyone:
Our brethern in our beloved Coptic Orthodox Church in Egypt are going through terbulant time. Please pray from all your hearts that God will raise the hardship time off His church and His children
Our brethern in our beloved Coptic Orthodox Church in Egypt are going through terbulant time. Please pray from all your hearts that God will raise the hardship time off His church and His children
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this is one of the things.... hope all could read it, I only knew about it yesterday from coptichymns.net so hope all can sign the petition
Peace in Christ
As we are all one in Jesus Christ wherever we are in USA , in Egypt , in any where .We are all one church, one body.
Your thoughts and angry feelings are so much expected and respected.
But i don't agree with the solution you addressed" President Bush should invade Egypt as he did in Iraq"
I am an Egyptian Young lady , loves Egypt so much despite anything that is happening " I think all of you love Egypt as well" and as a coptic i can't imagine such invansion.
I think that USA acts only for its intersets wherever these interests are in Iraq , in Afaginstan...........(i might be wrong)
My above words don't mean that we can't go to ask helpfrom USA if this is required .
Beside where is the power of prayers , Can't our Lord interfere ?
I think that this struggles and conflicts strength us more and keep us more keen for our religion.
The Coptic Orthodox church is a wellknown church by its saints who sacrifice their souls for jesus that why the church celebrate their feasts.
Also , Our Lord himself says that our life wouldn't be so easy , they " Whoever they are " will try to kill , hurt and harm us by any mean so that they will think that they are doing a very good thing for their god.
Please pray that these things would end soon and God preserve his church.
I have to agree with you. Invasion is not the answer. But I also don't think that if the ýBritish were still in Egypt, we would be in any better condition. A look back in History ýshows that when they ruled Egypt, corruption still existed along with poverty, injustice ýand discrimination. ý
When God wanted to defend the Israelites in the old testament, he always raised one of ýtheir own. (To prove my point, read the book of Judges). So maybe that's what we need, ýone of our own.ý
One an up note though. Tasoni has been released and she is united with her family and ýshe is staying in one of the monasteries in Egypt. Thought I would share
Yes, you are wrong :D...lol...The world loves to hate America!They need to go back and study history and see all the good things America has done,how many US soldiers have died for the freedom of other countries,how much food,medicine and other aid has been donated by the USA to help countries in need.Name one country in world history that has done more to help people!
By the way,where is all that oil money America was supposed to be getting for invading Iraq,isnt that what the rest of the world said we went to Iraq for.Its already cost us billions of dollars to prosecute this war;I doubt if we'll ever get a dime from Iraq.I quess the rest of the world was wrong,huh!
America is really getting rich in Afganistan...lol...
America should really let the world go to the devil if thats what it wants.Let them kill each other off and starve to death,etc., let chaos reign.But then if they did that ,the world would complain that the USA isnt doing enough,not solving the worlds problems.Do you really believe that the Muslims would let christians stay alive in Eygpt or other Muslim controlled nations if it wasnt for their fear of the most powerful christian nation on earth?God is the one who keeps people safe but He uses nations to accomplish His will{just read the Old Testament}.
God also uses human beings,nations,nature,etc to accomplish His will.For example in the Old Testament He used Assyria,Babylon,etc. to invade His people Israel,to punish and chastise them for their disobedience.There are many other examples,too numerous to list.
God also used foreigners to help and protect Israel.King Cyrus is one example.
Praise be to God!He is truly great and good.
Let's get back to track....
1- Tasoni (the priest's wife) has been released by the law enforcement authorities to Anba Bachomious at arround 6:30 PM Egypt's local time which was about 11:30 AM this morning. It was confirmed live on the Paltalk rooms by another Bishop.
But they still need our strong prayers as they are still in thousands staying at the cathedral in Cairo demanding justice and equality.
2- to answer Jfranklin question, only God, and without the help of any nation on the face of the earth can preserve and protect His Church, Christianity and His people. First let me ask you, were America as a great nation as it is now, arround between the years 635 to 1700 AD? Well those were the worst centuries of Islamic prosecution against the Coptic Church. Yet, not one single nation intervened to protect the Copts. The Coptic church today had thousands of Saints and Martyrs who intercede for us infront the Thrown of God. And despite of that, our great grandfathers kept for us the faith protected with their own blood. One era of prosecution was during the reign of Salah El Din ElAyouby (El Naser Salah El Din) who defeated Richard the Lion Heart, king of England and the leader of the crusaders who wanted to liberate Jerusalem from the hands of the arabs. Salah el Din and his "shoura" (i.e. advisors) thought that the Copts would help somehow the Europeans in their war against the Arabs, so in order to make sure that the Copts were not a factor in this war, he sent 3 armies to destroy Christianity in Egypt, one to Nubia (the strong hold of Christianity at that time in the South - common land between Sudan and Egypt), Alexandria and the western cities all the way until Lybia, and the eastern cities all the way until the borders of Gaza. In short, the Coptic church had over 1 million martyrs who were slaughtered for the true word of God and for just an assumption but no good reasons. Although the Copts would have never betrayed their own countrymen even if they were from a different religion. Thousands of churches were burnt and completely destroyed, including many cathedrals in Alexandria and Marriout such as St. Minas and St. Athansius cathedrals. Anyway, what the arabs missed was the western desert, the wahat and the eastern desert with all the monestaries where many copts fled to and all the rest of the coptic treasures of books, scrolls and other church antiquities were hidden for years.
The other example was during (i'm not sure which Pope) but most propably was Abba Cyril the Fourth (the Father of Renovation) when there was some presecution in the church at that time and the Cesar of Russia send him a private messanger to offer him Russian protection to the Orthodox Copts, His Holiness answered the messanger: Does your King die? The messanger answered with astonishment: Ofcourse all humans die. The Pope answered: Our King doesn't. So which of them would we ask for protection? The one who dies or the eternal?
Empires rise and fall, but the word of God never falls. He said that even the gates of hades will not have authority on the Church and His promises are true and honest.
That's a drop of water in the ocean of our Church's history. So it's not the strength of the nations which protect us. America with all its power couldn't protect itself from 9/11 !!! But I agree with you 100% that sometimes God would use the strength of one to destroy the evil of the other. But in most cases it is the Right Hand of the Almighty which works alone, which protects and which destroy the enemy. Check old testment 2kings 6:16-17 "Do not fear for those who are with us are more than those who are against us" and also Elisha's servant saw the entire mountain full of horses and chariots of fire of the army of God, and in 2kings 19: 35 when the angel of the Lord went out and killed in one night one hundred and eighty five thousands in the camp of the Assyrians. And Romans 8:31 if God with us, who can be against us? Truley, if God is with us, who can be against us??? No one .... God bless all
Don't forget to pray for the Coptic Church of God
so lets worry less about what the world can do and concentrate more on what God can do! [which is anything and everything :D]
i just hope their Christmas and new year's isnt going to get ruined...
salam
listen u guys ther is nothing going on in egypt ok not trying to b rude or anything but the muslems dont kidnap copts there is no such thing say gals dont get kidnapped they do stuff and they r scared to go home so the parents r embarresed so they say she got kidnapped there is NO such thing lyk the priests wife the ppl other than egypt make a big deal bout nothing i am a copt dw ppl its just dont belive that stuff
soz if i offended any1
GBU all
FROG
[glow=green,2,300]- Roaming[/glow]
>:( :( :'(
listen u guys ther is nothing going on in egypt ok not trying to b rude or anything but the muslems dont kidnap copts there is no such thing say gals dont get kidnapped they do stuff and they r scared to go home so the parents r embarresed so they say she got kidnapped there is NO such thing lyk the priests wife the ppl other than egypt make a big deal bout nothing i am a copt dw ppl its just dont belive that stuff
soz if i offended any1
GBU all
FROG
im sorry, but i disagree. this is really happening in egypt. yes, sometimes that may be the case and they dont go home because they are ashamed of what they did. but the copts in egypt are afraid and always keep quiet. but they finally spoke up and couldnt take it anymore. i am proud of them because they finally stepped up and stood up for themselves. they are being treated unfairly in THEIR HOMELAND. muslims are not "bad" but that is what their koran teaches them. and if tasoni was not kidnapped and went with him willingly, why did they have to drug her?
may the lord keep our hearts steady.
Although on a more down to earth perspective im scarred for our church, how long r we going to be able to hold strong?
forever, don't forget God's bromasses ;) we have survived over 2000 of years full of persecution and tribulations, it can't possibly get worse than in the times of Diocletianus for instance when thousands where martyred in a single day
Because the real power of our church is our faith in God who can defend us against anyone. So I don't think we should go in demonstrations or make petitions or even thinking about exterminating islam because these thoughts are not Christian at all. It doesn't mean we must stay passive but the better thing to do is to pray.
And maybe that what's happenning those days is the wil of God, we don't know.
Maria
We also have to remember that the reason persecution is happening is because these people want us to stop practicing our religion. If we do stop, then we would've only given those people what they wanted. We stand up for our own rights in praying and praising God, not by throwing stones and taking up weapons. Some of us have been lucky to live in countries where they don't face as much persecution for their faith. And as for those in Egypt, I admire them for their courage to go out there everyday and live their lives ordinarily in a world of hate. This is my idea of Coptic life...strength is not within force, but within God.