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minasoliman said:oh...you got my attention on this one....lol!if you get this sermon, send it to me
oh...you got my attention on this one....lol!
qawe said: minasoliman said:oh...you got my attention on this one....lol!if you get this sermon, send it to me
Sure Mina. I'm guessing you want to analyse it for traces of theosis?
MeenaSamy said:There were 3 sermons with the name "Communion with God" for Pope Shenouda IIIIn years 1980, 1985, and 1991The one you want was in 24 April 1991 as you said exactlyI uploaded it for you and you can download it from herehttps://www.mediafire.com/?da2qezqufapbumr
There were 3 sermons with the name "Communion with God" for Pope Shenouda III
Tobit said:Dear Minasoliman,I agree with most of your analysis which could've been said in less words. Throwing strawmen and then arguing against them isn't helpful. I understand your point in what happened with st.Augustine & others & you present it well.The point I'm trying to make is, will we approach the matter with respect to the late Patriarch's legacy?Will we approach the matter fully knowing what he said in Arabic and not just relying on the sub-par English translation? if so, greatWhile it can be very easy to become an internet theologian, it is much harder being honest & hopping off the bandwagon for just enough time to see things differently. There are questionable statements that have been made by the Late Patriarch just as with other fathers, but taken in context, does he deny the essence of the said spiritual teaching? Do we understand what he was arguing against?All these are questions that can only be answered by reading what he said in his language and why he was cautioning about certain things.We have to shed our presupposed biases and what we've read to see if the Late Patriarch's teaching nullify any teachings from the fathers. Is the Arabic word Ta2leeh used in the Islamic theological verbatim or paralleled with the Christian one?This is not directed at you, but internet forums have started feeding themselves with the same recyclable ideas and circular pomp. We need to step outside cyber space and read what was actually said in the spirit it was intended and not just about him from different forums.I'm reminded of C.S lewis' cautious reminder of reading Plato himself rather than reading a book about Plato. And I've noticed the same trends on orthodox internet forums. May we all live theosis and not just preach without living it, because that's when we fall in delusions, myself first.As St Athanasius cautioned and rightly so that we must truly live the lives of the saints in order to understand their teachings. We all have to approach this great mystery humblyI'm looking forward to the discussion about the sermon
Thank you Meena
I remember Fr Tadros Malaty in one of his books started out with a wonderful phrase. To paraphrase it he stated "the purpose of the Christian life is unity with Christ through the Holy Spirit".
You make excellent points. There is however a growing concern and when I get the chance I'll explain more.
I understand your point in what happened with st.Augustine & others & you present it well.
The point I'm trying to make is, will we approach the matter with respect to the late Patriarch's legacy?
I'm looking forward to the discussion about the sermon