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  • Hi @Jojo-Hanna,I thought I was clearer but it seems that I have confused you so much. doxaci o :eoc ymwn is sometimes used for psalms when they are sung in tune, like psalm 116 in the beginning of vespers praises, and big hoses used in different rit…
  • @Jojo_Hanna, Apparently each psalm in the book of psalms had a tune.. Those were lost. I can't remember the name of the book or the author. It was online and in Arabic and most probably revolved around ajbeya prayers. Actual stance - what do you m…
  • Pope Kyrollos the sixth and exams.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • @Jojo_Hanna We had had a debate here not so long ago when I argued that Daniel's name should not be added to the end of the third hos as we are reading out a passage from the Bible, so we are not supposed to add to or detract from the text. Then one…
  • Ah yes yes.. Thank you for viewing me as a patient person, I would like to believe that I am.. Hehe.. I just got confused because we had a debate before about the added part to psalm 150 and I researched into this afterwards so I thought you were to…
  • What addition do you mean?
  • Ⲁⲗⲗⲏⲗⲟⲩⲓⲁ ⲁⲗⲗⲏⲗⲟⲩⲓⲁ ⲡⲓⲱⲟⲩ ⲫⲁ ⲡⲉⲛⲛⲟⲩϯ ⲡⲉ : Ⲓⲏ̅ⲥ̅ Ⲡⲭ̅ⲥ̅ ⲡϣⲏⲣⲓ ⲙ̀Ⲫϯ ⲥⲱⲧⲉⲙ ⲉⲣⲟⲛ ⲟⲩⲟϩ ⲛⲁⲓ ⲛⲁⲛ
  • I just know that he does along with aba Wannas. I guess it may be mentioned in the Synexarium or Antiphonarium but I am not sure.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Ⲫϯ ⲥⲙⲟⲩ ⲉⲣⲟⲕ ⲛⲉⲙ ⲡⲉⲕⲏⲓ ⲧⲏⲣϥ Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Aba Nofar and aba Wannas Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Hi @mabsoota, It is not "pioufa fa", the English transliteration is "biwou fa bannoudi ba", the glory is God's, that is the literal translation. You can find it in the annual hymns section, congregation responses both under Gad Lewis and Ibrahim Ay…
  • Hi @mabsoota, Ⲡⲓⲱⲟⲩ ⲫⲁ are two separate words but please remember in the olden days Coptic didn't use to separate each word from the next or indeed use hyphens or other punctuation marks. Yes it is a special hymn on the wording of the last verse in…
  • Dear @mabsoota, Yes, my point is that it should not be sung on a Saturday but I know this is not supported by many people. I am just a strict hard core absolutist but the majority of learned people nowadays are relativists.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Very very nice.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Is it free? Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Dear @CopticSoldier, Now that @mabsoota has commented I'd also like to say that I was impressed with this thread. I just didn't want to comment earlier as I have nothing to say but I commend you for carrying on teaching me the right forefathers' tea…
  • Telegram has a web app as well as a desktop app, although I have not used the latter.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • No @Jojo_Hanna the first part because you explained it well saying that it is not an ecclesiastical occasion. Sorry, typing online I tend to not cover all points elaborately enough.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Thanks a million @Jojo_Hanna.. I would be very careful with introducing unnecessary practices into a well defined Coptic rite.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Nope sorry Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • As above.. That is just my expression but I don't know what the "formal criteria" are.. You can consult more with Pope Shenouda's writings on this subject and other Orthodox priests and bishops.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • I believe that the original rite was for the liturgies to start later at night / early hours of the morning with midnight chants starting slightly earlier to accommodate the start of the liturgy. I am not even sure that vespers was prayed adjacent t…
  • Christian song that is a carol.. It's different, the criteria are different, and the proper place is different, ie they should not be sung during the liturgy in any way, shape or form. I am aware that they are, but that's wrong. Melodies on the othe…
  • Dear @Jojo_Hanna I don't know the answer to this question so I will wait for other well learned members but please let's pay attention to the expressions.. Those are not melodies, those are Christian songs. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • @zoxsasi This time, very well said Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • @menafayik The answer is very easy, they are fitting because after the Synexarium the focus is on Christ, ie God the Word, exactly like the Communion.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • I didn't expect to hear that from you dear @zoxsasi.. By the way your nickname is dead and you should not follow the Egyptian cultural traditions blindly.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • @Jojo_Hanna Ataibartanos is a bit similar to biweik - in the latter we address Virgin Mary in more verses than we do the Lord, but that's OK because we focus on the incarnation of the Bread of life. A similar thing in ataibartanos where we recite th…
  • @Jojo_Hanna Ibn Kabar is spot on.. That's exactly what I mean.. They should not be said after ebnoudi nai nan but after the conclusion and as you rightly say not necessarily in the church. This is a new invention thing that during the holy fifty da…
  • Strictly speaking there are no rites for glorification hymns during or after the liturgy.. Actually not during any raising of incense service.. They have a special rite outside of such services.. I believe ideally they ought to be done after the ves…