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  • @msmekhael I don't understand what you mean by the question if that indeed is a question.. And yes the rites of replenishing the cup would be done after breaking the fast - please remember it is not a separate service, it is still within the same li…
  • Yes @Jojo_Hanna I meant that we are saying the Kyrialayson's at the wrong time Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • I think that there are certain prayers and rites for the "replenishing" of the cup which goes through the liturgy of the word and then the faithful etc but I know it happened with me at least once and abouna shouted at me for being inattentive. I gu…
  • That's very true @ShareTheLord.. I guess the main question was about any person but of course this makes perfect sense.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Thanks a lot dear @minatasgeel.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Oh and another thing as @Jojo_Hanna rightly alluded to consecrated icons in the church "ought to" have certain criteria to qualify as Coptic icons (I guess let me not dwell on this now because it is sad) whereas your icons at home need not follow an…
  • I didn't want to get in this argument earlier because my English is not as good as other members here but you both are right @Jojo_Hanna and @ItalianCoptic. Basically in the English language an icon and a painting can be synonymous terms mainly I be…
  • Yes @Daniel_Kyrillos, esattamente.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Ⲛⲁⲓ ⲛⲁⲛ = ⲉⲗⲉⲏⲥⲟⲛ ⲏⲙⲁⲥ Ⲫϯ ⲛⲁⲓ ⲛⲁⲛ = Ⲕⲩⲣⲓⲉ ⲉⲗⲉⲏⲥⲟⲛ ⲏⲙⲁⲥ But Ⲕⲩⲣⲓⲉ ⲉⲗⲉⲏⲥⲟⲛ just means "Lord have mercy".. I hope that is clear now.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
    in Metanoias. Comment by ophadece July 26
  • For the sake of precision Ⲡϭⲥ ⲛⲁⲓ ⲛⲁⲛ both mean Lord have mercy on us, but it just happens that an Arabic expression was coined up for Ⲕⲩⲣⲓⲉ ⲉⲗⲉⲏⲥⲟⲛ and stuck to all such translations with all the other languages following suit as no one cares about…
    in Metanoias. Comment by ophadece July 26
  • Thanks a lot dear @drewhalim. Very interesting.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Ϯϣⲉⲡϩⲙⲟⲧ ⲛ̀ⲧⲟⲧⲕ ⲉⲙⲁϣⲱ Ⲙⲏⲛⲁ Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • I don't know the history of the development of the liturgy that well but I can contemplate and say greeting is not merely by a holy kiss after the Adam asbasmos. Abouna also draws the signs of the Cross on himself, the servants and the congregation …
  • Dear @Daniel_Kyrillos, I thought someone else on this forum, and @minatasgeel could confirm, did state that the tune for behloj was actually lost and it was a recent innovation to fit the words on the tune of arebreswawin! Is that right? Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ …
  • Dear @ItalianCoptic, Thank you for your very wise words.. If I say I can't agree more with all what you said, that would be an understatement. May God bless you and your family and of course your service and may I ask you to please teach younger ge…
  • Dear @copt333, There was no Orthodox vs Catholic schism until the eleventh century AD. There was a Chalcedon Council in the fifth century AD that the Coptic Orthodox Church refuses. St Mark preached the Christian faith to the Egyptian people, so the…
  • Hi @Jojo_Hanna, What I mean is that some watos hymns are treated as though they are Adam as in the case of Lazarus Communion hymn, and very often they insert watos verses into Adam hymns, such as all the martyrs verses in both verses of cymbals and …
  • The simple method is to count the syllables as I mentioned before.. Even though some things are not that straightforward but that usually is the case.. By the way great cantors in the calibre of Ibrahim Ayad and Zaher Andrawos and to some extent Gad…
  • To add to what @ItalianCoptic said, asbasmos is a Greek word meaning salutation, peace, and from which derives the word kiss. In every liturgy regardless of the day there are two asbasmoses, an Adam and a watos reflecting the tune. The Adam tune is …
  • Dear @ItalianCoptic Thank you for your response. It is certainly a wake up call for me and I need to read more into that subject. Everything above is too well educated for me.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • @Daniel_Kyrillos Alle elqorban is alleluja of any psalm passage for the procession of the Lamb.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Dear @ItalianCoptic, First of all I hope your account is not hacked as this is the first time I see you posting comments with an aggressive undertone. I know exactly what you mean but the wording seems rather out of keeping with how I view you (of c…
  • Well said @Zoxsasi, I too believe moral relativism is wrong and I said that a number of times either in this forum or in my written work elsewhere. Unlike you though, the explanation is simple, it was not that it was OK for Adam's offspring due to t…
  • Dear @Jojo_Hanna, The word pope is not Coptic.. Dear @copt333, I agree with @George27 that the Coptic Orthodox Church has not split off. Secondly, he makes a very good point that you had fended off by saying that the rites are not exclusive to the…
  • I presume that the word pope is a recent invention but I am unsure of its history, possibly 19th century during the reign of Anba Cyril the 4th and his attempt to unite the Coptic Orthodox Church with the Greek one, but personally speaking I believe…
  • Dear @minasafwat, I can't agree more with what you said but just for argument's sake some people would deem cantor Albair as both authorised and professional! Secondly for me personally lost tunes are lost full stop. The Holy Spirit willed for them…
  • Is that what you meant @drewhalim? I agree with @minatasgeel about how improper it is to sing ya kol elsofoof anyway, but I am not sure about w nem nai, however, I know people will be upset if I say I agree with people doing the resurrection hymns f…
  • Ⲭⲣⲓⲥⲧⲟⲥ ⲁⲛⲉⲥⲧⲏ I agree with (and am learning from) @Daniel_Kyrillos, although I think tamageed and axios during the holy fifties are uncanonical.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
    in Pope Hymns? Comment by ophadece June 2
  • Ⲭⲣⲓⲥⲧⲟⲥ ⲁⲛⲉⲥⲧⲏ Thanks @mabsoota, no rush.. I am grateful for asking around for me.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Ⲭⲣⲓⲥⲧⲟⲥ ⲁⲛⲉⲥⲧⲏ Thanks @ioannesAthanasius we all fall in this pit unfortunately.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ