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  • [quote author=Ioannes link=topic=13452.msg158996#msg158996 date=1345065200] Swmsang,                 If this is true, it is certainly a sad excuse. I am not a fool, I know this is generally not the case. The fact is a convert is a nuisance to the Co…
  • But there is no such thing as a current LXX. just various manuscripts. To say that the MT vs Coptic or LXX are just different snapshots of Biblical development, and that one is not more accurate than the other is a stretch. The OT was very Christo…
  • I agree. But the fact is , when the KJV was translated, England was much closer to Orthodoxy than when its descendants, the NKJV, the RSV, and the NRSV were translated. So it's a trade-off between more Protestant bias, vs more obscure language. I p…
  • Another good reference for the Bible in Coptic is the CD put out by the St. Shenoute the Archimandrite society... It has the entire Lectionary (books of readings) in Coptic with a somewhat crude English translation beside it. Of course many people h…
  • [quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=13621.msg158834#msg158834 date=1344885971] jonathan_, I am a little confused what what you are saying....The new testament original language is "greek"....how can you have english translated from the coptic? and …
  • The translation originally approved to read in Coptic Churches is the KJV. Many still use that, but some have switched to the NKJV. I think that eventually gained approval as well, but I'm not sure. It is more understandable to youth who aren't fami…
  • [quote author=Severian link=topic=13581.msg158583#msg158583 date=1344331494] ^Thanks. Was this done because we do not believe the Chalcedonian Altar to be truly consecrated? Or did they request that the Copts bring one? [/quote] I think that's read…
  • I dont' know the answer to any of this, but I'll ask another question: What does it mean when it says that Heg. Mercurious El Gawly was ordained  a general bishop to assist the patriarch? Is this used in the same sense we use general bishop today? …
    in . Comment by jonathan_ August 2012
  • [quote author=Severian link=topic=69.msg158114#msg158114 date=1343311849] Copts ARE Orthodox. To distinguish between Copts and Orthodox Christians is a false dichotomy. The Copts, like all Miaphysite Orthodox, maintain the Orthodox faith of the thre…
  • [quote author=pedrocalderondelvalle link=topic=13555.msg158017#msg158017 date=1343146826] Thanks Joseph, Costa Rica no have oxthodox church, even the Coptic rite is known. But I still praying inside of me....and I visit frecuently the catholic churc…
  • [quote author=gpgm link=topic=13541.msg157955#msg157955 date=1342884247] Thank you all for the wonderful responses. Initially I was afraid my dramatic examples (witchcraft and homosexuality) were going to push people away. But I figured I needed to …
    in important Comment by jonathan_ July 2012
  • It's confusing to reference page numbers in PDF's which may not match, so I'll just put images here to make it easier to make sure I'm pointing to the right image :) : Is this the Church of St. Sergius you mentioned, or a different one, or Abu Sefi…
  • [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13547.msg157943#msg157943 date=1342814377] [quote author=jonathan_ link=topic=13547.msg157938#msg157938 date=1342810955] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13547.msg157933#msg157933 date=1342808678] [quote author=jon…
  • [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13480.msg157941#msg157941 date=1342813428] [quote author=jonathan_ link=topic=13480.msg157940#msg157940 date=1342812550] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13480.msg157939#msg157939 date=1342811134] [quote author=jon…
  • [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13480.msg157939#msg157939 date=1342811134] [quote author=jonathan_ link=topic=13480.msg157936#msg157936 date=1342809996] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13480.msg157934#msg157934 date=1342808785] [quote author=jon…
  • [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13547.msg157933#msg157933 date=1342808678] [quote author=jonathan_ link=topic=13547.msg157931#msg157931 date=1342807757] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13547.msg157930#msg157930 date=1342804590] There are allusio…
  • [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13547.msg157933#msg157933 date=1342808678] [quote author=jonathan_ link=topic=13547.msg157931#msg157931 date=1342807757] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13547.msg157930#msg157930 date=1342804590] There are allusio…
  • [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13480.msg157934#msg157934 date=1342808785] [quote author=jonathan_ link=topic=13480.msg157932#msg157932 date=1342807998] Of course not. But it also wasn't that if it isn't done by a priest in the normal way, it was …
  • [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13547.msg157933#msg157933 date=1342808678] [quote author=jonathan_ link=topic=13547.msg157931#msg157931 date=1342807757] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13547.msg157930#msg157930 date=1342804590] There are allusio…
  • Of course not. But it also wasn't that if it isn't done by a priest in the normal way, it was automatically invalid and needs to be repeated.
  • [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13547.msg157930#msg157930 date=1342804590] There are allusions in the writing of Hypolytos. Ancient churches dating back to the 4th century have this architecture. Middle ages ritual manuscripts giving instructi…
  • I'm not interested in making exceptions the rule. I'm interested in how the understanding of the fathers behind accepting such exceptions is different than the understanding you are preaching.
  • [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13480.msg157922#msg157922 date=1342801023] This also means that any laity can perform the sacraments so long he/she performs the correct rituals. This is nonesense. [/quote] "Before Pope Theonas' departure, he reco…
  • [quote author=JG link=topic=13541.msg157878#msg157878 date=1342728076] A subdeacon does not wear the black, they wear the same clothes as laity. They can have a job outside the Church. They may not help distribute the Blood. They can clean the vesse…
    in important Comment by jonathan_ July 2012
  • A full deacon wears black like a priest, does not hold employment outside the Church, helps distribute the Blood, and says the responses marked "deacon". A full deacon may not marry after their ordination, just like a priest. If a married man is to …
    in important Comment by jonathan_ July 2012
  • [quote author=sifaing link=topic=13480.msg157788#msg157788 date=1342542900] It seems like this discussion has become more about persons than about the discussioon. Fr. Peter, for your sake and for everyone else's sake, I would ask you to just close…
  • [quote author=markmarcos link=topic=13516.msg157771#msg157771 date=1342499059] Another question... I heard that in the time of persecution by the Muslims in Egypt, the Muslims forced priest to wear a cassock and an ema. Is this true? If so then how/…
  • [quote author=markmarcos link=topic=13516.msg157782#msg157782 date=1342527940] WOW ! i never knew this! but they even got to russia ! thats so far from the arab countries. thanks now i know [/quote] Russia did not become an independent Church with …
  • [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13480.msg157772#msg157772 date=1342499395] The bottom line is whether our belief does reflect genuinely the Church's. [/quote] Not it isn't. The bottom line is whether or not theirs does. No one has questioned whe…
  • [quote author=coptic_deacon link=topic=13516.msg157681#msg157681 date=1342337568] clearly my post was in response to someone who mentioned historical significance. I resent the accusation that I have no respect for St. Athanasius, or Christ Himself …