The Orthodox Church has never believed or adhered to "Original Sin" as doctrine. Ever :).
We are not guilty for the sin of Adam and Eve nor do we inherit their sin
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I cant comment much right now but i am up for discussion about the ecumenical council point. I disagree here with this thoughts. It would seem to me that, because the ecumenical councils are supposed to have been representative of the entire body of…
I wasnt gonna go there but as usual Ray is always right :). Hence my apprehension in accepting this OT event as a precedent for not censing in the home.
right, fair enough. but as those who have recieved the revelation of Christ, upon Whom the Scriptures themselves hinge, i would like if there was a precedent for how the early Church understood this. If there is no Patristic or canonical or liturgic…
So there is no patristic or scriptural insight other than a particular modern interpretation of a story that could perhaps be understood in many different manners. To this interpretation I could potentially imagine the simple rebuttal being that we …
I have exams soon and so cant really post. I also heard from this from Dr. Bebawi (a truly enriching man to listen to) and didnt realize that this distinction existed in some peoples minds. This distinction seems (as Mina has wonderfully showed) so …
I dont have much time to reply but i want to say a few words.
I admire both RO and Rem's replies but tbh i feel that is simply an act of sweeping under the rug. Yes our holy fathers both believed in and lived out deification (Divinization, theosis…
I enitrely agree with Ramez, I always benefit from his insightful posts. And i ddon't like this fraction, even without someone saying it, this fraction is clearly not from a Coptic original as it contains theological ideas and elaborations not authe…
IP get a heart. Stop taking your personal issues and making them into everyone else's business. This woman was abused by her husband. Abused by the husband who is sworn to protect her as Christ protected His church. To the point of death. If her hus…
I have truly been encouraged by the zeal i see on the forum. May God bless the rest of you and help me through your prayers.
Lord have mercy on us and His Church
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Peter
With all due respect Rem I do believe you have confounded numerous arguments together and most of what you said is really not even relevant to the discussion at present.
The patristic also do not unanimously agree. Hiliary of Poiters said Judas did…
I disagree with much of what you have written Rem but I would like for now (its late here) to add that the fathers in majority believed that Judas DID partake of the Eucharist,
"For instance, he [satan] compels Judas, straightway after receiving th…
Agreed!
I would also like to add two notes,
1) The Antiochian Orthodox Holy Synod ruled that women may partake of communion at all times including during menstruation recently. I can not find the ruling but I will link it when I can.
2) Here is …
I, as normal, am with RO on this.
For Doxa, I just want to ask you then why there is no mention made in the Gospels of Christ purifying Himself or taking account of the purity laws when the woman with the flow of blood touched Him. "What God has c…
I think before we point fingers at other hierarchs and at our eastern Orthodox Brethren we should probably take a look internally given that our Coptic Church seems to be headed in a heterodox direction in many central beliefs of Orthodoxy.
Lets w…
Right and having St. Severus of Antioch materials on the site and 3 different hierarchs of the OO church doesnt make it OO? Or perhaps the units of study that involve study of the OO fathers on the topics discussed doesnt make it OO either right?
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I didnt suggest it, you said God punishes sinners with an eternal death. But because sin was directed to the infinite Who punished him with an eternal death
Anyways, when i have more time we will discuss
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Imikhail said eternal death, not me. I think Imikhail is wrong on numerous bases anyways.
Regardless, I do not have the time to delve into this at this moment but penal substitution is not patristic, doesnt appear and take full form until after ans…
I want to respectfully say to Imikhail that Fr. Peter Farrington and the LSOCS has so much more knowledge and wisdom than you, its not even comparable. Fr. Peter Farrington and the counsel of reference H.E. Metropolitan Abba Seraphim, His Grace Bish…
So if God punished sin with an eternal death, how come this is seemingly contradicted by St. Basil the Great and St. Athanasius the Apostolic in the quotes i mentioned above? I will post in reply to MichaelNZ later but i am not able to right now!
I dont have time to elaborate but I would like to just say that, and perhaps post further later, that the legalistic understanding of sin and offense against God and the infinite dignity stuff is simply not what our tradition has handed down to us. …
On the Incarnation is the best piece of writing EVER, ever ever. I dont have very much time (hence why I have neglected replying all the other threads) but i would like to say that both the EO and OO have the same soteriology and the same view of ou…