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  • I am not going to contribute to this thread but I have just one question, are you satisfied with those answers @Jojo_Hanna? Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Shenouda is the correct Coptic pronunciation of Ϣⲉⲛⲟⲩϯ. There is no Arabic word or name even near to that sound. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Actually to designate ϭⲓⲟⲩⲱⲓⲛⲓ as watos is probably a typo or a mistake. It is an Adam hymn. I agree this is all confusing but mainly because we have not a lot of people who are interested in research or have the time. They just think they have the …
  • Happy Coptic New Year to you too dear @mabsoota.. Ⲛⲟϥⲣⲓ ⲣⲟⲙⲡⲓ ⲙ̀ⲃⲉⲣⲓ Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Exactly as you say @mabsoota it is inherent in the Egyptian (= Coptic tongue) to be unable to pronounce the /p/.. I laughed when you are talking about the beater priest.. Hehe.. Beating his chest like the tax collector I guess.. Hehe.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • And by the way there is new trend to change everything since it is always easier to follow the wrong in common usage than stand up for the correct that is not easily believed (ie Greco-Bohairic vs authentic Bohairic) [الخطأ الشائع أو الصواب المهمل].…
  • Thanks @minamakar.. It is wrong in my opinion to spell it as Ⲙⲁⲣⲓⲛⲁ, this is Coptic not English. Pretty much like it would be wrong to spell Joseph as Jozef, this is English not Polish.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • I don't know how to spell the saint's name in Coptic but I guess it would end with an ⲏ and follow the same rule as the other names.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • So basically you would find Ⲧⲩⲙⲓⲁⲛⲏ which is pronounced /demjana/, Ⲓⲱⲗⲓⲁⲛⲏ /joljana/, Ⲙⲁⲣⲓⲛⲏ /marina/, etc.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • The correct pronunciation of ⲏ at the end of saints' names is an "a" Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Well done to you dear @mabsoota Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Ⲛⲟⲃⲓ is a sin ⲛⲉⲛ is our for the plural as opposed to to ⲡⲉⲛ our for the masculine singular as in ⲡⲉⲛϭⲟⲓⲥ ⲟⲩⲟϩ ⲡⲉⲛⲛⲟⲩϯ ⲟⲩⲟϩ ⲡⲉⲛⲥⲱⲧⲏⲣ Ⲓⲏ̅ⲥ̅ Ⲡⲭ̅ⲥ̅ I think you know what that means.. Well done.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Ⲭⲁ is another version of ⲭⲱ so basically ⲭⲁ ⲉⲃⲟⲗ (leave out, forgive) Ⲛⲉⲛⲛⲟⲃⲓ (our sins) Ⲛⲁⲛ (for us) Leave our sins out for us, forgive us our sins Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Awol (ⲉⲃⲟⲗ) means out or out of, and as @feeby says it has different connotations in different statements because the Coptic language has a similar parallel to phrasal verbs in English.. Therefore ⲭⲱ ⲉⲃⲟⲗ means leave out or forgive, ⲃⲱⲗ ⲉⲃⲟⲗ means l…
  • Dear @mabsoota I have yet to find an original Coptic euchologion (and I mean authentic). I guess response is the English translation of the Arabic expression which again reflects something coming after something else.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Dear @ItalianCoptic, I am so pleased someone else is making this argument other than myself. A few years ago I argued against electric candles (as they are commonly used in the church in Newcastle where I used to go in the past) in addition to the u…
  • Hi @ItalianCoptic, I guess your posts are really edifying and educational for me and everyone else I am sure we all agree, and I believe that you as a person are really so diligent and inquisitive and have a vast background of knowledge and experien…
  • I would like to do some research on this.. I am aware that on twitter one of my contacts did suggest that this is not cultural at all and it had origins in what the apostles had handed down from Christ. There are some icons in the Catholic Church de…
  • Hi @Yoan, I agree with you I don't think the article that @ItalianCoptic kindly provided makes sense generally speaking.. I think it only addresses one aspect which is singing the Acts response to Virgin Mary which is in itself a newish practice any…
  • @ItalianCoptic, I cannot thank you enough.. Take your time, there is no urgency at all.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Dear @Daniel_Kyrillos Special hymns can be chanted any time a bishop or the pope are in attendance irrespective of it being a fast or not. Or do you mean if they are not in attendance and deacons want to chant more? Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Hi @Jojo_Hanna I thought you understood that he/she was referring to the hymn ϯⲙⲏϯ ⲥⲛⲟⲩϯ and that is why you asked who was attending! Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Dear @ItalianCoptic, You said "It's much like Habib Guirguis organization the church into its modern form. The wording was also far more detailed and more graphic." Would you mind expanding on those two statements please? Thanks a lot in advance..…
  • Hi @jwallace401146, Are you Coptic Orthodox? If you are, I believe you are not going to be fond of what I would say.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • So now I infer from what @ItalianCoptic wrote that this old-fashioned language serves as a reflection of our adherence to the writings of old, the rituals passed down to us and more generally being Orthodox.. How I wish so many other people even in …
  • No @ItalianCoptic I am afraid that is a very mistaken teaching. Midnight praises are not done only in monasteries. Strictly speaking midnight praises as well as vespers praises are part of the liturgical service and should be prayed by any ecclesias…
  • Dear @ItalianCoptic I am not sure why you say midnight praises are for monasteries only. It is not. If any one has the time they can chant the midnight praises after finishing the ajbeya.. Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡϭⲥ
  • Thanks @CopticBoy101 I really don't think this thread is the right one to do that and more importantly it is probably better that everyone finds out for themselves what is authentic and what is not in order to avoid arguing, debating, quarrelling an…
  • Thanks @RamezM, I believe that we are both in agreement on the phonological aspect mentioned which as you rightly assert is the case in other language systems. My point is especially relating to the rigid fixed rules of Greco-Bohairic without trying…
  • Dear @RamezM, Sorry it seems that I am sending at the same time you are sending too. I noticed your previous message and it makes sense to me. I take your point about Greek texts in the church but the point I had made earlier with regards Greek peop…