[quote author=sleepymusician link=board=1;threadid=474;start=15#msg8192 date=1091466711] I still believe that if you can balance the two, and you don't fall into lust or temptation from that music than everything can be okay. I mean, you know you've been listening to too much music if you don't want to hear alhan or anything, and that's not me, I love alhan, and church hymns. What do you think?
sleepy
Hi Sleepy,
This all makes me quite sad. :(
I can't say anything that can make you change your opinion all I can do is reitterate what has been said before. if you talk about balance you can balance church/nonchurch music thats okay but my personal problem is that your wanting balance desructive vs. non destructive music. I can't control what others may do to me and I don't like it if people put something bad in front of me and its the same when the Lord is in us and we take Him places He doesn't want to go and do things He doesn't want to do. Paul wrote, our bodies are not our own and their not, the body is a temple for the Lord.
In the world we look and see that there are bad people who get in relationships and domineer people, they only show love when they want to or need something and sadly this is exactly how we want to treat God. We want to take what is nice and convenient for ourselves like blessing and help with exams but when it comes to music and various other things we start talking about balancing the Lord with music?? Where does your ability to resist the evil themes in music come from? The Lord? If so why do you ask Him to defend you from something you choose to do because you enjoy it? Isn't that sad? Can we really balance worldly music with the Lord if the Lord allows us to do something evil by protecting us from the results of our own will? That sounds like domineering and not love because love is a 2 way relationship. The Lord gives to us and we give back. :(
Also the reality is (and you won't understand this until your older) just how much damage these kinds of music, the thing we seen on TV and so forth do, its very severe.
Please believe me, I'm not writting this because I want to stop you from enjoying yourself. The best kind of pleasure a man can have is by renouncing our own self-centred will. The father said the one a person gets from it is a little bit difficult to describe because its like describing the taste of honey to someone who has never had it before. The reality is that God is offering us a realtionship with Him and balancing Him vs. the world makes us distant from Him. The reality is God calls us into a 2 way relationship of love and love involves 2 things, sharing and sacrifice and believe me God has a lot more to share and sacrifce than we do... What is music against the Lord's blood? Is there anything God isn't sharing with us? His nature? He made us His image. His will? He has invited us through the Holy Spirit to have a will unified with His. His love? He allows us to share in His love. His kingdom? He is giving us a share in His kingdom. God is willing to share everything He has with us, if we only want to share everything we have with Him and in reality what is music in comparison to the things I just mentioned?
I hope you can see where I'm going and I hope I can persuade you to see that the idea of balancing God with the world is an oxymoron, you can't mix light and darkness.
Not all music on the radio is bad. Some of it is good, some is ok, and some is bad. However, we can't rate all the music on those bad ones. Just like food. There are good foods, and bad foods. We balance the two together, and that's how we stay fit. Not all vegetables and such, and not all candy and such. CS, you seem to be taking this too far. I don't listen to music on the radio for my personal cravings or lusts, I do it because it's a hobby to me, and you should always look to the good it has.
I am not referring to all music, as stated only destructive and non destructive. Thats it. Its not the reason itself but the exposure. I mean suppose I had sex for the purposes of say a scientific experiment. Its not gratifying a physical lust but it exposes you to 2 things. The first is that it is done for a non physical lust albeit an intellectual one and the second is that your exposing yourself to the possibility of being dragged into lust.
I stated 2 facts before. I am exposing myself to a temptation, the second is I need Christ to prevent me from falling into an evil I am openly allowing myself to participate in for a non physical lust, entertainment. How do you rationalise this? If this is taking chasitiy too far then its a slur against society, not me personally or the message I am giving you which I must stress is not my message. I am not judging this by a social standard by by a moral standard and you must respond on the same terms in order for our discussion to be fruitful. Our church and the fathers who passed down a way of life to us decreed these things to be wrong. I didn't do it personally and I'm not relaying an opinion. It shows how far society has fallen and I don't expose myself to its evils for fear that I will fall with them. They learned about God, experienced God, found out what He likes and doesn't like and also what brings us closer to Him and what seperates us which then taught to their descendants it is from that experience that I teach you. What I am saying is a huge slur against society its values and majority of the vast volumes of music it produces.
The desert fathers were not tempted by sexual immorality anywhere near the degree we are while praying and fasting far more and with that gap in spirituality and the fact that the fathers taught the dangers of the opposite sex in a way that is so extreme that one desert father actually wrapped his hands with a blanket when he carried his mother accross a river. She asked why he did it and he responded not to kindle the memory of the body of a women because the body of a women is fire! They also said how the opposite sex shoud be avoided. Lets follow this, less temptation, more prayer and a fear from being exposed to temptation!!! It is that way of life that makes monks holy, we may not be monks but what we should understand is how much weaker we are than they were and if we're weaker with less protection we can't just make assumptions like 'I won't be sucked in'. Judge it by the stength of the entity that will use this against us, the devil. St. John Chrysostom has a nice saying, please keep this in your heart, there are some temptations a man just can't resist.... all of them.
This is not a blanket ban on music, its a ban on destructive music and the things that denote destructive require a definition which we can discuss provided you do look at this based on moral aspects and not making the best of what society has to offer...
We can listen to some music but *I AM* trying to get you away from the idea of listening to radio to discuss types of music that we can listen to, outside of religous music alone if you can accept that the idea that it doesn't effect us is in itself a trick of the devil, Christ says without Me you can do nothing, be honest, is he going to guard you from exposing yourself to a temptation you want to expose yourself to?
There is a major difference between openly exposing yourself to a temptation and going there because God sent you. For instance in marriage its the difference between a sodier exposing themselves to a danger on the battle field their general (priest) doesn't know about. If something goes wrong and you need help, who is going come and rescue you? In the instance of being sent by God I can point my finger at God and say you put me here I need you to rescue me but what happens if you wen't their against your masters orders? He may rescue you but what happens if He doesn't?
In reality it is difficult, I think Anba Angalos said it best when he said that he believes the youth of today are the true martyrs because no one is tempted as much for as long. We live in an immoral society that produces immoral things and it is our job not to conform because in doing so we are martyrs in our own right.
[quote author=sleepymusician link=board=1;threadid=474;start=30#msg8271 date=1091562903] so long as I can keep God in my heart, and join in his praises and prayers, why not?
I'm with you there. Sounds like you got the balance to me. I commend CS because he's just taking the safe road and being cautious. I agree with him in the sense that some music, regardless of genre, can trigger some kind of reactions in us. Maybe others to other people. However, to most, maybe music brings no harm. I think what we can take from what CS is saying is that we don't fall into complacency and assume nothing 'bad' can come from listening to music. Just to be on the look out for our souls.
I like the fact that CS speaks his mind and speaks with wisdom , but let's not get too critical about it. Sex, for a scientific purpose? Not going to happen, and what will happen if I listen to music? Honestly, we are all veering off to the side about what will happen if we obey our temptations, but let's backtrack and see what will happen. If I'm listening to a love song, that could go both ways, I could listen to it again for the mere fact that I like it and wanna follow it, or I could listen to it and relate it to my love for god. Everyone is always telling us girls that we are married to christ until we get older, why not put that into affect now? Don't always look for the bad in things CS, we can be easily tempted and such but with God on our side, he won't let that happen. You have balanced your life out to include spirituality, and something for the earthly loves, which to me is music as one of them, and God knows what's in our heart, it's not affected by the music we hear if he has a part inside of us....
You are absolutly right! I was offering an exmple (it was't supposed to be realistic and its not)! I could have made it a bit better by making on along the lines of being a surrogate father or somthing like that but anyways, I am not a fan of listening to the radio because you can't control whats on it but with something like launchcast its different or with the CD's you buy, y'know?
You are right I'm not attacking sex or sexual desire because the song of songs is in the bible and its not an inherantly evil thing.
My personal criticisms are about songs are if they promote sexual immorality, immoral dances, lust and so on, this however is not a slur against ALL love songs and yes a person can listen to them and relate them to love for God but we have to remember that not all music is appropriate for this purpose. In reality the main issue is the spirituality of the hearer and thats something we can't guarentee. Songs that discuss martial relations are a totally different story and saints and monks who are unmarried did write about it so its not unclean.
I'm not a huge fan of a lot of the teen culture personally and I'm sure you'll agree because people like Brittany Spears are just bad role models period and even if they do sing songs that can be related to God by pure people, the way they live their lives and even their music videos go against our ability to do that. Its very hard being a teen in this day and age. I wouldn't personally feel comfortable going to a concert of a person of her genre for that reason (besides the fact I don't like her music). Granted this is probably a bad example but I'm sure you know what I'm getting at. It is for that reason that I like to talk about specifics because it sounds much better, if we discuss this generally it will naturally sound like I'm ranting.
I would also like to point out you have seen a certain side of my arguments, on coptichymns I'm much more liberal because I like to offer a more distinct understanding of the exact issues at hand.
I totally get where you're coming from CS, but mind you, I'm not a fan of Britney's either...God forbid....lol
But see, both of us have brought out the good sides and bad sides to music, you being bad and myself being good, and i guess it's up to each individual to choose what's best for themselves.
I know where you're coming from queeny, and that's what I'm trying to say. We have to be wise enough to be able to pick the appropriate music for our lives, because for some like me, they can't live without music...
guys i say just give up music all together, stick with the holy stuff, so u can alwaz keep ur ears holy... wat u listen to, i belive reflects on ur life and ur habbits, so make what ur listenin to holy, and u will become holy, along with other stuff offcouse... dont get cought up in the world, with its tricks, and temptations, we are not of this world, if u cant give up music for God then ur to attached to the world, plain ur ur eternal life not for ur mortal life...
this is just my opinion, but what do i know anyway
[quote author=G.J.I link=board=1;threadid=474;start=30#msg8419 date=1091780569] guys i say just give up music all together, stick with the holy stuff, so u can alwaz keep ur ears holy... wat u listen to, i belive reflects on ur life and ur habbits, so make what ur listenin to holy, and u will become holy, along with other stuff offcouse... dont get cought up in the world, with its tricks, and temptations, we are not of this world, if u cant give up music for God then ur to attached to the world, plain ur ur eternal life not for ur mortal life...
this is just my opinion, but what do i know anyway
i cant give up music. i could stay away from it for a period of time, but not altoghether, no
U cant just give it up, u'll have to replace it by something, for instance, the thing our church has plenty of: HYMNS :), there's loads of spiritual music to listen to, hymns, spiritual songs, masses etc...
i don't think anyone in their right mind could listen only to Church hymns and be satisfied. We aren't required to only listen to Church hymns, and if the Church didn't have outside influences in music, we wouldn't have the different types of Church chants or songs in various Churches. The Middle Eastern/Coptic/Indian Chant is very different from Byzantine Chant and Gregorian Chant, not all must be equal, but all are equally good. Outside music can be good or bad, depending on your mind. I wouldn't recommend the crap on the radio for children or young teens, but for older people, we can differentiate Marilyn Manson the commercialist guy who is trying to sell CDs, from Marilyn Manson the real person who has some good points of view (see Bowling for Columbine). Sticking to Church music alone may be destructive as well, in my opinion, as Church music is meant to transcend our mind to God in a Church setting, but listening to it while driving or cooking erodes that "special" characteristic for the music.
[quote author=Michael_Thoma link=board=1;threadid=474;start=30#msg8433 date=1091827913] Sticking to Church music alone may be destructive as well, in my opinion, as Church music is meant to transcend our mind to God in a Church setting, but listening to it while driving or cooking erodes that "special" characteristic for the music.
i'll have to disagree with that, i listen to hymns a lot, and i mean a whole lot, and it doesn't erode the specialty of it, it just keeps my mind busy with usefull spiritual stuff, and it helps a lot (if u try to learn a new hymn, or rehears a whole season for example), instead of hearing cursing or love songs, i dont say it's not ok to listen to other kinds of music (everyone should decide for onesself) i just disagree with it being possibly destructive.
[quote author=Michael_Thoma link=board=1;threadid=474;start=30#msg8433 date=1091827913] i don't think anyone in their right mind could listen only to Church hymns and be satisfied.
i gave up all music, i only listen to church music, hymns...etc, willingly that is, cause u cant avoid music all 2gether as its every where but wat i can control.... i m completely satisifed, i made a deal with God, of couse its hard, wen theres a new single out that every1s listening to, but u get use to it. in the end its brought me closer to god and the church..
Ok..first may I plz ask that "I DONT LISTEN TO THE RADIO" be added to the list on the survey...I'm quite sure there are many people out ther..that just arent interested in the radio at all. But that doesnt say that they dont listen to music. I dont actually "listen to music" as in the sense that i go out and buyy all these tapes cds etc or listen to the radio ether..but i do know of some small nice amounts of songs..(although i prefer hymns over that..but thats another thing altogetha) i actualy love singin..and i am plannin(God willing) to do music for my HSC...which means i have to sing..(surprisingly) and unfortunetly i cant get up ther and sing coptic arabic or even english hymns..because thats not whats asked of me.. so in my opinion i dont think i wrong to know of songs..but like some1 mentioned above..(sory dont no who) you have to be wise in your choosin what songs you listen to and what not to listen to
Personally I think that the purpose of music and songs, are to send a message out..and if that message is swearing and destructive..then I could do without it.. just my opinion on this Thanx and GBU Maz
[quote author=G.J.I link=board=1;threadid=474;start=30#msg8419 date=1091780569] guys i say just give up music all together, stick with the holy stuff, so u can alwaz keep ur ears holy... wat u listen to, i belive reflects on ur life and ur habbits, so make what ur listenin to holy, and u will become holy, along with other stuff offcouse... dont get cought up in the world, with its tricks, and temptations, we are not of this world, if u cant give up music for God then ur to attached to the world, plain ur ur eternal life not for ur mortal life...
this is just my opinion, but what do i know anyway
I'm sorry, as much as I respect you G.J.I., I have to say that I disagree with you. I can't give up music for the sake of my culture of loving music. Music is what helps me get rid of pain or feelings. Now don't get me wrong. I can give it up for as long as you'd want me to, and I will love hymns and praises for as long as I live because the way that they make me feel. They invite me closer to God, and not everything can do that to me. Music is my source to life because I am a musician, and that's what God has gifted me with along with many other things, but music being the number one thing in my life. I can't just automatically ex it out of my life, now can I?
Also, I never said that I couldn't give up music for God, I merely stated that I need to include music as part of my life, and I really want to know the Orthodox church's view on it...
Thanks for being understanding as well. Many people in church try to force you to believe in "what's right", and they never think to listen to you. When someone decides to sit there and give your opinon a shot, that's open-minded....lol ;)
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I still believe that if you can balance the two, and you don't fall into lust or temptation from that music than everything can be okay. I mean, you know you've been listening to too much music if you don't want to hear alhan or anything, and that's not me, I love alhan, and church hymns. What do you think?
sleepy
Hi Sleepy,
This all makes me quite sad. :(
I can't say anything that can make you change your opinion all I can do is reitterate what has been said before. if you talk about balance you can balance church/nonchurch music thats okay but my personal problem is that your wanting balance desructive vs. non destructive music. I can't control what others may do to me and I don't like it if people put something bad in front of me and its the same when the Lord is in us and we take Him places He doesn't want to go and do things He doesn't want to do. Paul wrote, our bodies are not our own and their not, the body is a temple for the Lord.
In the world we look and see that there are bad people who get in relationships and domineer people, they only show love when they want to or need something and sadly this is exactly how we want to treat God. We want to take what is nice and convenient for ourselves like blessing and help with exams but when it comes to music and various other things we start talking about balancing the Lord with music?? Where does your ability to resist the evil themes in music come from? The Lord? If so why do you ask Him to defend you from something you choose to do because you enjoy it? Isn't that sad? Can we really balance worldly music with the Lord if the Lord allows us to do something evil by protecting us from the results of our own will? That sounds like domineering and not love because love is a 2 way relationship. The Lord gives to us and we give back. :(
Also the reality is (and you won't understand this until your older) just how much damage these kinds of music, the thing we seen on TV and so forth do, its very severe.
Please believe me, I'm not writting this because I want to stop you from enjoying yourself. The best kind of pleasure a man can have is by renouncing our own self-centred will. The father said the one a person gets from it is a little bit difficult to describe because its like describing the taste of honey to someone who has never had it before. The reality is that God is offering us a realtionship with Him and balancing Him vs. the world makes us distant from Him. The reality is God calls us into a 2 way relationship of love and love involves 2 things, sharing and sacrifice and believe me God has a lot more to share and sacrifce than we do... What is music against the Lord's blood? Is there anything God isn't sharing with us? His nature? He made us His image. His will? He has invited us through the Holy Spirit to have a will unified with His. His love? He allows us to share in His love. His kingdom? He is giving us a share in His kingdom. God is willing to share everything He has with us, if we only want to share everything we have with Him and in reality what is music in comparison to the things I just mentioned?
I hope you can see where I'm going and I hope I can persuade you to see that the idea of balancing God with the world is an oxymoron, you can't mix light and darkness.
God bless,
CS
sleepy
I am not referring to all music, as stated only destructive and non destructive. Thats it. Its not the reason itself but the exposure. I mean suppose I had sex for the purposes of say a scientific experiment. Its not gratifying a physical lust but it exposes you to 2 things. The first is that it is done for a non physical lust albeit an intellectual one and the second is that your exposing yourself to the possibility of being dragged into lust.
I stated 2 facts before. I am exposing myself to a temptation, the second is I need Christ to prevent me from falling into an evil I am openly allowing myself to participate in for a non physical lust, entertainment. How do you rationalise this? If this is taking chasitiy too far then its a slur against society, not me personally or the message I am giving you which I must stress is not my message. I am not judging this by a social standard by by a moral standard and you must respond on the same terms in order for our discussion to be fruitful. Our church and the fathers who passed down a way of life to us decreed these things to be wrong. I didn't do it personally and I'm not relaying an opinion. It shows how far society has fallen and I don't expose myself to its evils for fear that I will fall with them. They learned about God, experienced God, found out what He likes and doesn't like and also what brings us closer to Him and what seperates us which then taught to their descendants it is from that experience that I teach you. What I am saying is a huge slur against society its values and majority of the vast volumes of music it produces.
The desert fathers were not tempted by sexual immorality anywhere near the degree we are while praying and fasting far more and with that gap in spirituality and the fact that the fathers taught the dangers of the opposite sex in a way that is so extreme that one desert father actually wrapped his hands with a blanket when he carried his mother accross a river. She asked why he did it and he responded not to kindle the memory of the body of a women because the body of a women is fire! They also said how the opposite sex shoud be avoided. Lets follow this, less temptation, more prayer and a fear from being exposed to temptation!!! It is that way of life that makes monks holy, we may not be monks but what we should understand is how much weaker we are than they were and if we're weaker with less protection we can't just make assumptions like 'I won't be sucked in'. Judge it by the stength of the entity that will use this against us, the devil. St. John Chrysostom has a nice saying, please keep this in your heart, there are some temptations a man just can't resist.... all of them.
This is not a blanket ban on music, its a ban on destructive music and the things that denote destructive require a definition which we can discuss provided you do look at this based on moral aspects and not making the best of what society has to offer...
We can listen to some music but *I AM* trying to get you away from the idea of listening to radio to discuss types of music that we can listen to, outside of religous music alone if you can accept that the idea that it doesn't effect us is in itself a trick of the devil, Christ says without Me you can do nothing, be honest, is he going to guard you from exposing yourself to a temptation you want to expose yourself to?
There is a major difference between openly exposing yourself to a temptation and going there because God sent you. For instance in marriage its the difference between a sodier exposing themselves to a danger on the battle field their general (priest) doesn't know about. If something goes wrong and you need help, who is going come and rescue you? In the instance of being sent by God I can point my finger at God and say you put me here I need you to rescue me but what happens if you wen't their against your masters orders? He may rescue you but what happens if He doesn't?
In reality it is difficult, I think Anba Angalos said it best when he said that he believes the youth of today are the true martyrs because no one is tempted as much for as long. We live in an immoral society that produces immoral things and it is our job not to conform because in doing so we are martyrs in our own right.
God bless,
CS
so long as I can keep God in my heart, and join in his praises and prayers, why not?
I'm with you there. Sounds like you got the balance to me. I commend CS because he's just taking the safe road and being cautious. I agree with him in the sense that some music, regardless of genre, can trigger some kind of reactions in us. Maybe others to other people. However, to most, maybe music brings no harm. I think what we can take from what CS is saying is that we don't fall into complacency and assume nothing 'bad' can come from listening to music. Just to be on the look out for our souls.
Mina.
Don't always look for the bad in things CS, we can be easily tempted and such but with God on our side, he won't let that happen. You have balanced your life out to include spirituality, and something for the earthly loves, which to me is music as one of them, and God knows what's in our heart, it's not affected by the music we hear if he has a part inside of us....
sleepy
You are absolutly right! I was offering an exmple (it was't supposed to be realistic and its not)! I could have made it a bit better by making on along the lines of being a surrogate father or somthing like that but anyways, I am not a fan of listening to the radio because you can't control whats on it but with something like launchcast its different or with the CD's you buy, y'know?
You are right I'm not attacking sex or sexual desire because the song of songs is in the bible and its not an inherantly evil thing.
My personal criticisms are about songs are if they promote sexual immorality, immoral dances, lust and so on, this however is not a slur against ALL love songs and yes a person can listen to them and relate them to love for God but we have to remember that not all music is appropriate for this purpose. In reality the main issue is the spirituality of the hearer and thats something we can't guarentee. Songs that discuss martial relations are a totally different story and saints and monks who are unmarried did write about it so its not unclean.
I'm not a huge fan of a lot of the teen culture personally and I'm sure you'll agree because people like Brittany Spears are just bad role models period and even if they do sing songs that can be related to God by pure people, the way they live their lives and even their music videos go against our ability to do that. Its very hard being a teen in this day and age. I wouldn't personally feel comfortable going to a concert of a person of her genre for that reason (besides the fact I don't like her music). Granted this is probably a bad example but I'm sure you know what I'm getting at. It is for that reason that I like to talk about specifics because it sounds much better, if we discuss this generally it will naturally sound like I'm ranting.
I would also like to point out you have seen a certain side of my arguments, on coptichymns I'm much more liberal because I like to offer a more distinct understanding of the exact issues at hand.
Anyways, I have ranted far too much...
God bless you,
CS
But see, both of us have brought out the good sides and bad sides to music, you being bad and myself being good, and i guess it's up to each individual to choose what's best for themselves.
sleepy
~*queeny*~
sleepy
wat u listen to, i belive reflects on ur life and ur habbits, so make what ur listenin to holy, and u will become holy, along with other stuff offcouse...
dont get cought up in the world, with its tricks, and temptations, we are not of this world, if u cant give up music for God then ur to attached to the world, plain ur ur eternal life not for ur mortal life...
this is just my opinion, but what do i know anyway
guys i say just give up music all together, stick with the holy stuff, so u can alwaz keep ur ears holy...
wat u listen to, i belive reflects on ur life and ur habbits, so make what ur listenin to holy, and u will become holy, along with other stuff offcouse...
dont get cought up in the world, with its tricks, and temptations, we are not of this world, if u cant give up music for God then ur to attached to the world, plain ur ur eternal life not for ur mortal life...
this is just my opinion, but what do i know anyway
i cant give up music. i could stay away from it for a period of time, but not altoghether, no
Sticking to Church music alone may be destructive as well, in my opinion, as Church music is meant to transcend our mind to God in a Church setting, but listening to it while driving or cooking erodes that "special" characteristic for the music.
i'll have to disagree with that, i listen to hymns a lot, and i mean a whole lot, and it doesn't erode the specialty of it, it just keeps my mind busy with usefull spiritual stuff, and it helps a lot (if u try to learn a new hymn, or rehears a whole season for example), instead of hearing cursing or love songs, i dont say it's not ok to listen to other kinds of music (everyone should decide for onesself) i just disagree with it being possibly destructive.
i don't think anyone in their right mind could listen only to Church hymns and be satisfied.
i gave up all music, i only listen to church music, hymns...etc, willingly that is, cause u cant avoid music all 2gether as its every where but wat i can control.... i m completely satisifed, i made a deal with God, of couse its hard, wen theres a new single out that every1s listening to, but u get use to it.
in the end its brought me closer to god and the church..
Ok..first may I plz ask that "I DONT LISTEN TO THE RADIO" be added to the list on the survey...I'm quite sure there are many people out ther..that just arent interested in the radio at all. But that doesnt say that they dont listen to music. I dont actually "listen to music" as in the sense that i go out and buyy all these tapes cds etc or listen to the radio ether..but i do know of some small nice amounts of songs..(although i prefer hymns over that..but thats another thing altogetha)
i actualy love singin..and i am plannin(God willing) to do music for my HSC...which means i have to sing..(surprisingly) and unfortunetly i cant get up ther and sing coptic arabic or even english hymns..because thats not whats asked of me.. so in my opinion i dont think i wrong to know of songs..but like some1 mentioned above..(sory dont no who) you have to be wise in your choosin what songs you listen to and what not to listen to
Personally I think that the purpose of music and songs, are to send a message out..and if that message is swearing and destructive..then I could do without it..
just my opinion on this
Thanx and GBU
Maz
guys i say just give up music all together, stick with the holy stuff, so u can alwaz keep ur ears holy...
wat u listen to, i belive reflects on ur life and ur habbits, so make what ur listenin to holy, and u will become holy, along with other stuff offcouse...
dont get cought up in the world, with its tricks, and temptations, we are not of this world, if u cant give up music for God then ur to attached to the world, plain ur ur eternal life not for ur mortal life...
this is just my opinion, but what do i know anyway
I'm sorry, as much as I respect you G.J.I., I have to say that I disagree with you. I can't give up music for the sake of my culture of loving music. Music is what helps me get rid of pain or feelings. Now don't get me wrong. I can give it up for as long as you'd want me to, and I will love hymns and praises for as long as I live because the way that they make me feel. They invite me closer to God, and not everything can do that to me. Music is my source to life because I am a musician, and that's what God has gifted me with along with many other things, but music being the number one thing in my life. I can't just automatically ex it out of my life, now can I?
Also, I never said that I couldn't give up music for God, I merely stated that I need to include music as part of my life, and I really want to know the Orthodox church's view on it...
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