Combined Intercessions for Female Martyrs

edited April 2016 in Hymns Discussion
Hello Everyone,

Attached is a picture of the "Combined Intercession for Female Martyrs" from Coptic Reader... What's different about this (from what I am used to) is that after St. Marina they have 4 more saints (Saints Irene, Anasimon, Aripsima, and Anastasia)


Can anyone provide the tune for this or a link of it being said somewhere? Also, has anyone noticed this or am I out of the loop :P ?

Thank you and God Bless,

Son of Christ


  • It would be interesting to hear the tune for this combination one. The one I know of ends at St. Marina.
  • Hello to my brothers and sisters in Christ,
    To start, please take note that Coptic Reader has, at times, strayed from what the Cathedral/the cantors of the church/old church books have said. A prime example would be, in the case of the festive Hiteni's, the omission of H.H. Pope Kyrillos VI from the list. On the audio recordings here (I cannot remember which one) the chorus of the Cathedral has added Pope Kyrillos to the end of the Patriarchs' verse.

    This appears to just be a case of dissension between sources. The festive Hiteni's (ie, the added long verses) often are changed from source to source, and to my knowledge, none are present on this site. However, this past Feast of the Nativity, my church's chorus deemed that we would end the verse at "nem Marini." If your priest/chorus/higher-ups request that you use all those names, perhaps it would be easier to have 2 verses starting off with "tishelet ente pi-ekhistos" with the second of these two asking for the intercessions of Sts. Irene, Anasimon, Aripisma, and Anastasia.
    Now I am new to hymns and the distribution of them, so please do not take my word alone, I do hope this helps you, and if it does not, I pray that you find a source that will help you.

    God bless :)
  • edited December 2018
    -You mean Ente NI shelet :)
    -And we can't just separate saints 
     into two different verses !

  • @tenoosht
    -This recording is completely off.

    -It doesn't even follow any 
    other verse as a model..
    meaning...IT'S COMPLETELY MADE UP (recording-wise)

    -***also*** before saying the name of the first Saint, you must say 
    Hiten ni-evshi ni-shelet ente Pikhristos, ni-agia EMIE...
  • @Jojo_hanna and why not? Coptic reader has 2 verses for the desert fathers. So long as the order (male then martyrs, male then female saints) is maintained it's ok
  • A few things, but first...

    @Daniel_Kyrillos, have you ever heard the Desert Father's verse said wholly ?
    (meaning the first verse, and the second verse combined ?)

    The answer is  NO, because there is no such thing !
    No recordings have them combined, and neither do books, 
    because it's wrong to "make up" stuff ! 

    I get where you're coming from though, you think that they ' could ' be combined since they fall under the same title/category. In that case why don't we say any archangels together ? (we say them separately) !!!

    *Not everything on Coptic Reader is correct !
    Discussing the Hymn of the Intercessions, they put Patriarchs (Faith-Defenders) before the Desert Fathers' verse..many Churches have these two inverted.. and that's just One of the many examples !

    @Daniel_Kyrillos what do you mean : 

    So long as the order (male then martyrs, male then female saints) is maintained it's ok

  • @Jojo_Hanna you bring up a fair point regarding the desert fathers, it was a bad example to use.

    As to why one could or couldn't split up the long combined verses that are added as 'alternate', think of it this way: I don't think anyone here would be confused if, for the male martyrs (Pachois epouro...) we said a normal Hiten for every saint in that verse- Sts. George, Theodore, Philopateer, and Mina, along with any other male martyrs we decided (ex, St. Abanoub). They're almost* all identical in structure- "Hiten nievki / ente piathloforos emmartyros / / Epchois..." The same applies to the female martyrs- if we didn't care about what Coptic Reader said but wanted to ask for the prayers of all those female martyrs, we could do what I just described with the male. However, it saves time (a lot of it) to combine the verses. Is it right to sacrifice maintaining the rites perfectly for the sake of 5 minutes? Thats a discussion every chorus needs to have with themselves.

    Now as for your point about the Archangels, you're right- we couldn't combine all 7 (by name) into 1 verse because they're all distinct. However (and I'm going solely off of memory here) only the first 4 Archangels have an epithet: Michael, head of the heavenly; Gabriel the announcer; Raphael, the joy of hearts; and Suriel the trumpeter. I'm not sure off the top of my head what Sadakiel, Sarathiel, and Ananiel's verses look like, but if they follow a similar structure, then they COULD be combined.
    But we wouldn't.
    It's rare to ask for the intercession of an archangel other than Michael or Gabriel outside of either a) Pentecost season (Michael) b) Kiahk (Gabriel) c) a church under either of their names. I can't think of a solid reason there would be a need to say the verses for all 7 archangels by name. There's just no point! By similar logic, the verses for departed (canonized) Popes should stay separate. This makes much more sense in my head, I'm sorry for the jumbled logic everywhere.

    By order, I mean the order of commemoration the church has- St. Mary, heavenly hosts, St. John the Baptist, other biblical figures (St. Joseph, St. Stephen, the Apostles, etc.), male martyrs, female martyrs, male non-martyrs, female non-martyrs, the Pope, metropolitans, bishops. Any time we ask for intercessions and/or prayers of large lists of saints, that (rough) order is kept. I meant that if you wanted to add verses for individual saints, you could, so long as you don't break that order (ex, saying St. Antony before St. Marina- female martyrs come before male non-martyrs).

    *- there are saints/groups of saints who do not follow this pattern, and those should not be combined (ie, St. Teji, St. Habib Girgis, etc. should always stay separate since they are special.)
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