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Remnkemi said: We can never forget the Church is NOT the place for fun. The Church's purpose is NOT to make sure the kids/teens are having fun instead of sinning. The Church IS the place "for the forgiveness of sins" (as we say in the psalmody). The Church's purpose IS to make sure kids/teens have salvation.
Remnkemi said:If Halloween celebrated as it is today was actually seen as the abomination because it really does cause desolation as spoken by Daniel the prophet, then no one would say "how come we can't do that?" Just like the knife thing. Giving a knife to a child who ask for it is considered an abomination that causes desolation. Even if the child says "How come we can't have knives?", you wouldn't justify an answer much less actually consider giving them an alternative to knives. No you would continue to give them what you know is holy. In reality, if every Christian saw Halloween for the abomination that it is, then no one would even see the need for an alternative.
Remnkemi said:You wrote, "But having activities at church totally eliminates that."No it doesn't and it never will. I have been to a lot of these Church Halloween events. There are fun activities, but then there is mayhem. A lot of it. People literally fight for candy. I have seen a bunch simply steal the candy from servants. The noise level is way beyond any legal limit. And on occasion, some parent still manages to think they can bring their child dressed in costume. Did having these activities on this night prevent people from going trick or treating? Just look at Facebook where all these parents dressed up their kids and went trickortreating and not Church. I even saw a priest's child dressed in a costume. It's true more people went to Church than those who didn't. But we didn't eliminate anything. I don't think we even put a dent in the problem. We simply replaced one problem for another, instead of using the solution that has worked for thousands of years: prayer, fasting, fellowship in theology.
Removing the pagan mythical beings is evidence that the Catholic school (and myself) are not indulging in any masquerade. The issue here is not that these holidays have had a mythical or pagan origin. This is where I differ from Bishop Youssef's message. The issue here is that we are justifying and incorporating into Christianity a watered down version where the goblins and mythical figures of demonic origin remain but we simply don't consider it anti-Christian. There is where the demonic power lies. This is where I conform to Bishop Youssef's message.
Zoxsasi said:What could I have said to this STUPID woman bringing kids to my door at 8 pm??
i agree with nearly all of your points.
i'm sure you'll agree that kids should have fun at church, but that 'fun' should not mean running up and down screaming and demanding sweets.
I have had friends and neighbours who were involved in 'occult' activities, and i can assure that telling fortunes, setting curses on people and trying to contact the dead (only demons actually appear, not the real dead people) does go on, and it's very bad for you.
i would prefer my 'harmless fun' not to based (however loosely) on something that is bad for my soul.
Remnkemi said:@mcarmichael,I was trying to use your previous comments for productive and spiritual benefit. It is not ok to joke around like this. Please remember this is an Orthodox site. Everything we should do and say here is for the glory of God.