Hi, Could someone remember me why we can't take catholic communion?
I know that the motivation have something to do with the council of Chalcedony, but i don't remember why.
And i also know that you can take communion in a catholic church if you don't have a coptic church nearby, but only with a permission, please explain that too.
Thanks and sorry for my english (i'm from italy)
Our sister churches are:
+Syriac Orthodox Church (including the Malankara and Knanaya dioceses under the Syriac Church) under Patriarch Mar Ignatius Aphrem II
+Armenian Apostolic Church under Catholicos Karekin II
+Ethiopian Orthodox Tawehedo Church under Abune Mathias
+Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church under Catholicos Basilious Mar Thoma Paulose II
+Eritrean Orthodox Tawehedo Church under Abune Antonios
I don't mind for a Catholic to receive communion if he/she is willing to join the Orthodox Church and renounce the papalist heresy.
For your last question, I believe that the solution is to never cease praying, never cease asking for answers, seeking truth, and knocking on Heaven's gate. Further, it is to listen. Listen to our Lord and pay attention to how He molds our lives, directs us, and teaches us. Finally, if our Lord reveals that there is something we have not been getting right, we must be willing to accept that and conform ourselves to His will and His truth.
Christ's promise is solid! There is one Church and one faith. The gates of Hades shall not prevail against this Church. What is see is many Christian churches of different faiths. It does not matter what the intentions are. Bad decisions often times begin by good intentions to love Christ. But apparently, there are different ways to love Him. Some "love Him" by denying the sacraments. Some "love Him" by believing in sola Scriptura and sola fide. Some "love Him" by rejecting the priesthood. Some "love Him" by allowing female priesthood and homosexuality.
You have one of two choices: either the gates of Hades indeed has prevailed against the Church, and Christ is shown to be false OR there is one Church which truly preserved the will of Christ through His Apostles, who truly not only love Him, but kept His tradition INTACT, whose intentions are guided righteously and faithfully. This tradition is a result of a true relationship and love of Christ. If we truly believe Christ is the Truth, then we must reject the falsehood of different churches and seek out the "pearl of great price" hidden in the Orthodox Church.
One final note: I do not mention "purgatory" of the Catholics. The MAJOR issue is not purgatory, but the status of the Pope. That's what truly divides us. For Protestants, what divides us from them is the rejection of the Apostolic institution of the bishops and priests who succeed from the Apostles. Anglicans is one giant disorganized mess, which seems to turn immorality into morality. Those who left Lutheranism and became Orthodox would show you the most clearly dividing issue with Lutheranism is pride and self-seeking behavior in defining the faith. In their book of Concord, they would repeatedly say "the Church Father erred when..."
The Orthodox Church seeks to keep the faith passed down from the Apostles and through the Church fathers. That should be a cause for unity, not division.
I hesitated about posting this for a while!
I think we need to read the history of Christendom with an open mind. The realty is the Church Fathers of the first 4 centuries were largely "Universalists" (means they believe of Salvation for ALL humanity and restoration of all creation through the atoning sacrifice of Christ who will redeem ALL to himself eventually). I know this is different from the whole point discussed here (Eucharist) but bear with me and we will get there! Now the most detrimental event in the history of Christianity was the creation of the "Christian State" aka the former "Roman Empire" (that actually has crucified Christ himself - no irony there). Religion was used as an instrument of sin and oppression and The Cross (the sign of "Life Giving Power") was turned into a weapon to kill innocent people! We are fast at criticizing Muhammad and Islamic State but ignorant (may be not willingly) of our own sacrilegious history!! I don't claim that I have the "The Mind of Christ" but I would take a risk and make an audacious claim that Christ would find that Flag (or Coat of Arms) of the former Byzantine Empire (post-Constantine) sacrilegious. It is now the Flag of Mount Athos (and sign of "Orthodoxy" ® Limited All Rights Reserved TM" the ugly monster bird with 2 heads and one arm carries the Cross and the other carries a sword! Showing the UNHOLY marriage (or fornication) of State and Religion.
Mina talks about the intimacy of the soul with God as he uses the analogy of the "marriage bed" (which is a beautiful romantic and very much Biblical/scriptural as illustrated in the Song of Solomon) and I wholeheartedly agree with him! However, he fails to see how the State (an institution of this world aka Satan's world (as in Scriptures) should NOT have been in that "bed". I don't know (me the vile sinner drenched in my filth, etc) how the pious ascetics of Mount Athos (the "spiritual heart of Eastern Orthodox Church") fail to see that sign of double-headed eagle as sacrilegious!! How they failed to see the Byzantine State use the other "weapon" (Religion) to ensure its UNHOLY dominion over the world through threatening “Eternal Fires of Hell” monetizing on the convenient views of Augustine that resonated well with Imperial Aspirations (and became the foundation of “Western Christianity”)! Eternal hell, torment. Anathema to all who disagree with the "The Church" (and State) lead by its Emperor Saints!! One illustration comes to mind about the UNHOLINESS of the Ecumenical Counsels (that EO view as infallible works of the Holy Spirit) comes from the condemnation of Origen as heretic at the Second Synod of Constantinople (543) more than 2 centuries after his death (254) by "Saint" Justinian (The Byzantine Emperor "Saint") for 2 reasons: (1) Totally discredit Alexandrian School of Theology after Dioscorus resisted his authority (an eye opener to all Christians: Council of Chalcedon wasn't about Theology and Heresy but about "Politics"; (2) Clearly label "Universalism" as "unorthdox" to ensure that salvation is controlled by the State/Church UNHOLY marriage. Now why are we so offended by "Papal infallibility" doctrine of the Roman Catholic - as if they invented this out of thin air? I mean it is indeed offensive, and heretical, to the discerning spirit but is the natural evolution of the “Emperor Saints". Didn’t Jesus after all hand the “keys” to Peter? How convenient is that for Imperial authority? Control this life and “eternity”? What “imperialism” can dream more of?? The cry for "The Doors, The Doors!!" in Eastern liturgies (pre-Eucharistic prayers) was, ironically, a practical cry for the frightened early Christians (before the "Edict of Milan") for their lives so the Roman soldiers won't capture them and kill them (historically, Ancient Christians were accused of "human sacrifice" because the Romans didn't understand what partaking of the "Body and Blood" of Christ means!!).
Now the Roman and Byzantine Empires are long gone but the Grand Sin of Adam remains much alive for 1500 years and longer! Adam (fooled by Satan) wanted to know "Good and Evil" and then partake from the "Tree of Life" to become an "Evil Immortal Being" like Satan (how little did he and we know!!). But the Good Lord "drove him out of paradise and removed him far from the tree of life, not because He envied him the tree of life, as some dare assert, but because He pitied him and desired that he should not be immortal and the evil interminable and irremediable" (as Iraneaus of Lyons elegantly put it in the second century). That sin of pride (the only fatal sin) lives so much alive in the very being (and fabric) of the Church - the control of flow of God's Grace, the control of access to the gates of heaven, the control of Salvation, the "Noah's Ark", and so forth!
Now I thank the Lord that the "Good News" is still preserved in Scete Desert by writing of spiritual Giants like Fr Matthew the Poor who viewed all Christians of "orthodox doctrine" (generic "orthodoxy" that doesn't carry a limited trade mark like Byzantine bird mascots or Coptic Crosses) as partakers in God's Grace and "Communion of Love". The "Coptic Brotherhood" have called him a "heretic" but so was called Christ himself! The alarming position of Mount Athos that halted to unity of Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches is a, contemporary, classic illustration of paternalism (so different from the patristic outlook itself) with which Christendom has sought repeatedly to secure a bulwark to protect the flock of Christ from multiplicity of possibilities, from drowning in a sea of open-ended questions. That paternalistic position proves eventually to shut out the work of the Holy Spirit whose action occurs precisely upon these chaotic waters and not where there has been no venturing out into them with “the risk of faith.”
Dear Mina: the marriage bed of the Church and Her Groom (Christ the Lord) has been ALREADY defiled by bringing the "State" into the bed. It won't be defiled by bringing faithful Christians professing Christ as Lord and God. Many are bearing "FRUITS" of Divine Grace (outside the presumed Noah's Ark). Origen, for instance, deemed “heretical” retrospectively (how ironic?) was indeed devoid of “FRUIT”; did he profess Christ in face of torture that left him grossly disabled, was he ready for martyrdom after his father (and his mother hid his clothes so he won’t go), did he dedicate his life to scriptural study, did he lead a life of ascetism and contemplation, he castrated himself even? No of course he didn’t do such things, and even if he did, only the ONLY “HOLY” CATHOLIC AND APOTSOLIC CHURCH has the ultimate authority to determine the “authenticity” of “spiritual fruit”. The unfortunate truth is The Church became an IDOL to be worshipped away from God!!! The earlier the leaders of ALL CHURCHES profess the fallibility of human nature (including the fallibility of our most revered Church Fathers - in all sincerity no sarcasm intended), the true recognition of paternalism throughout church history as "pious egotism", and the detrimental role of fornication between the State and Church on the sanctity and Holiness of the Church, the more hope into unity of the Body of Christ becomes realistic. God Bless!
The problem is when discussing divisions between churches, sometimes it's difficult to realize who's wrong. That's understandable. That's why St. Peter writes that Scripture is not of private opinion (2 Peter 1:20). But we must all come to the "unity of faith" (Ephesians 4, read the whole chapter), and this is not without the spiritual fatherhood that we all must follow:
unity of the Church, until now, among the Churches of the
world does demand of us—not reconsidering our theology,
for our theology is true and faithful—to reconsider ourselves
in view of our correct theology so that we might correct our
vision of God the only Father of all humankind and correct
our view of Christ as the only Savior and the only Redeemer
of all who call on His name, through whom is indiscriminately
adopted the whole of humanity by God, thus correcting our
love toward man—every person—as being inevitably a brother
to us, even if he stood against us in hostility and set forth for
us snares of death." (p. 221)