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[quote author=ShareTheLord link=topic=14383.msg164509#msg164509 date=1368117869] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=14383.msg164505#msg164505 date=1368113231] [quote author=ShareTheLord link=topic=14383.msg164495#msg164495 date=1368104024] Then what …
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Somewhere in the history of Egypt (probably 6th-8th century, Arabic was Classical Arabic. Why is Modern Standard Arabic the only Arabic taught in schools? Why is it acceptable to learn and adopt Modern Standard Arabic, which is for all purposes is a…
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[quote author=ShareTheLord link=topic=14383.msg164495#msg164495 date=1368104024] Then what are the 'Cymbals of Joy'? If it were truly just for rhythm, the triento would be sufficient and the cymbals would not be played with a 'musical' beat but in…
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4. As a "guardian" of Coptic, Arian chose to model Coptic education based on Greek orthography and phonology. He couldn't use OB and he probably felt English and French were to foreign to Coptic. An this was a disastrous move and the rationality the…
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3. Arian was given approval by Pope Cyril IV to correct or modernize Coptic language education. What do you mean by modernize? What was the extent of this modernization? How well versed Pope Cyril was in Coptic to allow such modernization? What were…
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2. He knew that OB was not systematically taught in any education system other than the kattabas. In the 19th century, Egypt was heavily influenced by the Protestant missionaries who insulted Coptic Egypt for no education system. So they built their…
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1. He recognized destructive patterns in OB. For example, in Arian's book e;ouab (which means holy) was pronounced and orthographically placed in manuscripts as a;ouab (which means unholy). What does writing have to do with pronunciation? In the U…
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If the asbasmos can be said during the lent days then why can't the cymbals be used? In the Coptic tradition, the cymbals are merely for the rhythm. All these opinions that say are not to be used during the lent or otherwise, are modern personal op…
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=7582.msg164490#msg164490 date=1368066923] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=7582.msg164489#msg164489 date=1368065809] Honesty and preserving tradition is part of Orthodoxy. If I believe that OB is the correct her…
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[quote author=RamezM link=topic=7582.msg164487#msg164487 date=1368057778] Imikhail, First, my name is Ramez. Unless you are calling me Ramzy as a form of endearment. Either way, no big deal :) Orthodoxy is life not canons and rules. Yes, I absolut…
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Ramzy, Orthodoxy is life not a set of rules or canons. Orthodoxy requires one to be truthful not just dogmatically but to be truthful to whatever matter is at hand. This is what the earlier arguments tried to convey with regards to passing on the e…
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Reminkimi, Aryan Moftah did use the argument that Copts should pronounce the Coptic letters as the Greek since the Coptic alphabet utilize the Greek one. Hence my post. This is an absurd argument that cannot be used with different languages that ut…
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=14407.msg164474#msg164474 date=1368037332] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=14407.msg164472#msg164472 date=1368036812] You can ask him yourself that question. I know his opinions. The books produced in the diasp…
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=14407.msg164470#msg164470 date=1368036322] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=14407.msg164467#msg164467 date=1368035810] [quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=14407.msg164463#msg164463 date=1368035453] [quote autho…
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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=14407.msg164463#msg164463 date=1368035453] [quote author=ophadece link=topic=14407.msg164462#msg164462 date=1368035325] I didn't want to make it personal towards you only - but seriously I thought you caught the …
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From the link above I read this excerpt from larger post by a poster "Reminkimi" and then signed George. "Old Bohairic is the more authentic Coptic. We don't need to follow Greek anymore, especially since we know the driving force was political and…
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The correct way is Watos not vatos nor batos. This is well documented in the liturgical books. There is no reason to be offended when corrected. We all make mistakes and probe to error.
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GB is wrong simply because it is artificial. It is historically proven that it was imposed on the Church by one person's rationale and this person was Aryan Moftah. There is a tremendous amount of evidence supporting how Bohairic was pronounced. A…
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[quote author=copticuser20 link=topic=14383.msg164329#msg164329 date=1366895418] So can cymbals be played starting tonight and into tomorrow? [/quote] Cymbals can be played at any time. They are for rhythm.
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Dear minasoliman It seems you are missing the point. Reread post 20, 21 and 22 to better understand and follow the discussion. It does not matter whether they call "Consubstantiation" a heresy. What matters is what they believe happens during the …
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[quote author=minasoliman link=topic=14367.msg164207#msg164207 date=1365834754] The Catholic encyclopedia is not the Catechism of the Roman Church. There's a couple of outdated things and the Roman Church today has widened views on many issues. No…
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=14367.msg164202#msg164202 date=1365824944] Imikhail, That is not the definition of transubstantiation. I already explained the meaning of substance, and gave a reference to a catholic cardinals explanation o…
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=14367.msg164196#msg164196 date=1365799025] imikhail, Please don't be vague. Saying they carry different meanings doesn't add to the conversation at all. Your words were, "they both have meanings that confli…
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It does not really matter if a term takes on a new meaning. We are talking of current understanding. The terms consubstantiation and transubstantiation are not used within the Orthodox Church. The reason they both currently have meanings that confl…
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Pre sanctified was part of the Alexandrian practice but was banned through canons.
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The term "Transubstantiation" and "consubstantiation" are foreign to Orthodoxy. The term used in the liturgy is "change".
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The framework of St Cyril and followed by the orientals is not to speak of two natures after unity and thus disect the natures of the Son incarnate as if ther are separate after union.
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The insistence of Leo of the two natures after the incarnation is what is offensive and not accepted by the Orientals.
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This thread has went too far. Yet I will add my two cents. The argument that the name Tawadros should have a variant depending on the local variation does not hold water if the usage is within the same Church. In other words, the name Tawadros i…
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The Gospel (al Beshara) should only be used in the litany of the Gospel. The original rite is to have the priests kiss the gospel before it is being read. In the old days they used to hold the actual book from which the gospel would be read. This i…