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  • I think i now understand the Synods comment on the Resurrection hymns more in that I was just watching the Ascension liturgy from this year and for some strange reason after Afrek etve Ibrahim Ayad decided to chant Onim nai and Ya lol asufouf which …
  • I would propose that the hymn alleluia may be a stand alone hymn and therefore there is no reason why it should not be said all year round. Mina mentioned that many cantors record it as an introduction to the psalm "fai pe piehoou" and I too have he…
  • The ritual is not very clear and does not mention Matins of Pentecost at all. This ritual is in response to many who continued to chant Resurrection hymns as well as Ascension hymns from the 41st to the 49th days. During this period the procession i…
  • Bola Moneer is a very good friend of Zaher Andrawes and he certainly learnt it from Albeir's recording. I can guarantee you that any cantor or priest (yes I have heard priest recordings) who chant the hymn in the same way Albeir does either learnt i…
  • Albeir took a Greek hymn and Copticised it so in effect did make it up as he alone decided where the hezaat would start and end and I accept may have been influenced by the Greek. I refuse to accept that the Greek and Coptic versions are "practicall…
  • I believe we may need some clarity on what Bishop Youssef means when he says it is not authentic. The hymn is Greek like many hymns and adopted by the Coptic church. This point cannot be disputed. However, His Grace may have a valid argument on auth…
  • Personally I would suggest that we think twice before posting responses to questions such as this thread. To say Constantine's sainthood is debated is only the "opinion" of the minority and not the majority or the church. Let's look at very simplist…
  • Yes it would be chanted during the general funeral on Sunday, the Lakkan service and the Liturgy on Thursday and the sixth and ninth hours of Friday.
  • The Coptic church does not use instruments to motivate people musically but rather for keeping the rhythm and no other reason. On this premise there is nothing wrong with playing the cymbals with hymns that (a) have a set rhythm and (b) require a rh…
  • I just want to add a point that aside from whether "Daniel" should be included in the hymn or not it is not valid to say he shouldn't as we do not add or subtract from the bible. Hymns based on biblical texts are very common throughout all Christian…
  • Thank you Remnkemi. I appreciate that there are different pronunciations but unity in hymns is difficult enough when there is no unity in language as well. If we are not arguing about hezaat we are arguing about pronunciation and I, like many othe…
  • This hymn is chanted in the presence of a Bishop at any time of the year and in any church service where there is a reading from St Paul.
  • Interestingly it was the same argument 5 years ago on this thread http://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/13105/lazarus-saturday-meets-the-feast-of-the-annunciation I understand that discussion is good but the major downfall in the Coptic Church in…
  • I have just watched the video and while very interesting and different it still does not back up your claim that Archdeacon Fahim changed the last verse. The old Cathedral has always been quite different from other churches in Cairo mainly because w…
  • I know M.Gad has recorded the paralex for Kiahk but he is not the original source. When I spoke to him about 2 months ago and M.Reda as a 3 way conversation they both agreed that since forming the Choir of Muallim Mikhail they have changed a lot of…
  • Let's say for now the two endings exist although the HICS choir recorded the normal ending and the letter from Archdeacon Roushdy Wassef administrator of the clerical college states that their recordings are the official source of hymns for the copt…
  • I fully appreciate the power of oral tradition, however I also know a lot of what Archdeacon Fahim taught via cantors of the Cathedral that learnt from him such as Satir Mikhail and Osama Fawzy. If he taught this then at least he would have practice…
  • In regards to point 1 I would love to hear evidence as I have heard Resurrection liturgies of this period with the said Archdeacons and the last verse was never changed. I can also say that if this was truly what Archdeacon Fahim taught it would be …
  • I am sure you would agree that it would be good to know more about the manuscripts and what they actually say and who authored them as opposed to who is in possession of them now. Any further information would be appreciated otherwise it amounts to …
  • I'm not sure what your last post means but earlier you claimed that the practice of a procession between Ascension and Pentecost existed 15+ years and I was only pointing out that the Synod only decreed on this matter officially in 2007 so only 8 ye…
  • I'm actually in the UK and our church was established in 1976, however until a few years ago I spent every summer in Cairo, part of the motherland you refer to, learning from cantors and still in regular contact with them. I also know that even thou…
  • @ophadece definitely 8 not 18! Thanks for pointing that out.
  • Mina let me tell you that I'm in my 30's and there were no processions between Ascension and Pentecost when I was young hence why definitely not more than 20 years. This period has always been in dispute and what you say about the Sunday in between …
  • Drew, books say that you must say ekhrestos anisti after afrek etfe and before ekhrestos anilipsees. Taking it further with o nim nai and ya kolo sofoof is.... acceptable to me if you have the time. C Ibrahim said seven because up to a couple of yea…
  • On the feast of the Ascension you carry both icons as the procession is around the church as well. However during the period between Ascension to Pentecost the procession (which is to be considered a modern practice) includes the hymns of the Ascens…
  • It was changed officially in the Cathedral liturgies by Muallim Ibrahim and he even spoke to Nahdet El Kanaes and requested that they changed it in the book as they use it in the Clerical college and this did not happen for a long time. I don't see …
  • The ending in the recording is the actual correct one known as the praise of the angels. The text you refer to is originally an ending of one of the Asapasmos Adam for the Resurrection Feast. The verse was changed by Muallim Ibrahim Ayad and there i…
  • @dg920 you clearly will believe what you want to and that is not only fine with me but is your right. I also know facts, some of which I will not share here as they can be deemed a personal attack on certain individuals and not just M.Ibrahim. Belie…
  • @dg920 when you say "There has been no decision made regarding this whatsoever" what exactly are you referring to. The committee was not just M.Ibrahim's idea and has existed in one form or an other for many decades. In all honesty M.Ibrahim does no…
  • Ophadece has hit the nail on the head. The majority of people do follow blindly to the extent that they watch Cathedral liturgies or services to see 'What's new". We may all disagree with this but we know it happens. I have direct contact with the n…