Originally the wedding was split into three sections. Pipnevma should be said at the time of crowning of the husband and wife. Nikhora before the gospel. But again this is based on the wedding today. The original rite is a bit different
Nikhora is not the same as Meghalo. The beginning of it is the same as meghalo, then the repeating part is like a piece of abekran. However it is a different hymn with its own tune.
Yes it can be said after the synaxarium, in communion, and also in…
Drew we need to clarify and point out a few things. 1) Not everything thats recorded is accurate, not everything thats recorded is the only way, not everything that was recorded is exclusive.2) the hymns can be anywhere from entire churchwide tradit…
Any cantor that you speak to now will tell you that HICS is not a complete source, nor was it even always accurate.
In regards to Pachois for Kiahk, M Gad records that as well.
@drewhalim Glad you mentioned his church to see what they do: Check this video out!
Completely different. Also i have a recording of muallem Faheem extending the ending of nictratia as well.
In regards to Archdeacon Roushdy, he has no authority t…
1) In the process of looking through the files i have. Your point, however, isn't necessarily true. Many things that M Faheem taught have not become common practice. A few examples include, theotokia kiahky, fai etafenf during priest funerals, and a…
What i mean by common practice is that: 1) M. Faheem and Dr. Youssef Mansour in the Cathedral used to do it before him in the liturgies with Pope Kyrillos. 2) Taking verses from different hymns and applying them elsewhere is common in everything in …
As per Fr. Shenouda Maher he has manuscripts that state there should be a full procession every day of the 50s and it doesn't change. That makes a lot more sense than what goes on now.
Nothing to do with Muallem Ibrahim. Already doing what was common practice. The Kiahk Pachois also has ekowab so it isn't wrong to have something other than Glory to God... Albeir has his chorus record it both ways and says that they're both accepta…
@ophadece habibi I'm not offended.
I'm just presenting the research. My biggest pet peeve especially in the Coptic Church is that we do everything with a lack of education. I am not the most educated person in the world but before I make statement…
What I tried to do in the past posts is show that Cantor Ibrahim does everything he can to be 100% accurate and goes back to older sources than most people now. It's clear with the Pauline that there are two renditions and that they're both acceptab…
@ophadece, do you know how unreasonable your claim sounds right now? You want a guy to go up and tell you any time he's messed up for every service and liturgy he's attended in the past 50 years? That doesn't make sense. And no other cantor even adm…
Just checked about Joyful Pauline, Cantor Ehsan Shokry says it the same way as Ibrahim and learned it directly from Muallem Faheem. Cantor Mikhail seems to have taught it both ways, one to tawfik in Muharraq and one to Faheem. Personally i enjoy bot…
Also one more note on live and recorded! during services we all make mistakes and things don't always come out perfect. If you are talking about the seven tunes live in the cathedral especially that recording all over soundcloud yes the chorus messe…
Also @ophadece... Please explain your concern with bright Saturday.
Mina Tasgeel is correct in the fact that cantor Ibrahim is not a machine. Every other cantor in the history of the church has messed up in a recording before and left it alone. At…
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Glad you brought those hymns up.
In terms of the seven tunes- I have several recordings of other cantors that precede m Ibrahim that say them the same way. Those tunes are common tunes and as long as they are fitting correctly on the word…
@drewhalim I didn't suggest that he is the savior and didn't suggest that no one knows better. What i am saying is discussing things without clear examples and sources and with incorrect information is a problem by itself.
Before you say he doesn't…
Oh and one more thing, any of the pronunciation corrections that M.Ibrahim uses you can hear in M.Wissa Attia's recordings, including sarx, afchi and tons of others. Pronunciation was never ever ever standard in the church because people from all ov…
If you have a question about things, you ask and find out from the person you think is doing something wrong. Making assumptions based on what other people tell you is a bad approach. I did the same for years with M. Ibrahim and I personally went an…
That is not the purpose of the committee my friend. It is not to fix M.Ibrahims work. The committee was formed because all the cantors need to unite and research a lot of the hymns. M. Ibrahim taught all of those cantors in the committee including M…
I want to point something out as well guys, there are tons of hymns that were not known before for which recordings have been found and then they were revived. Examples: Teen Anastaseen, Enty geneesi, Shere theotoke (Short), Agios Extended. And the …
@minasafwat Ive listened to Cantor Mikhails tapes and never heard any ally faraihy. IF you have that available please share.
M. Tawfik recorded the hymn and Abouna Mettias' recording is exactly the same as his. M. Ibrahim was told before by the can…
@drewhalim @ophadece There has been no decision made regarding this whatsoever. Secondly, I do not mean credibility in terms of just being correct and people following him. Someone like M Ibrahim who has dedicated his life to the hymns of the churc…
Keep in mind everyone these people care just as much and even more than us about the hymns. to say that people are just making things up is very harsh and isn't giving credit where it's due. I'm sure someone like Cantor Ibrahim is much smarter than …