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  • I have just watched the video and while very interesting and different it still does not back up your claim that Archdeacon Fahim changed the last verse. The old Cathedral has always been quite different from other churches in Cairo mainly because w…
  • I know M.Gad has recorded the paralex for Kiahk but he is not the original source. When I spoke to him about 2 months ago and M.Reda as a 3 way conversation they both agreed that since forming the Choir of Muallim Mikhail they have changed a lot of…
  • Let's say for now the two endings exist although the HICS choir recorded the normal ending and the letter from Archdeacon Roushdy Wassef administrator of the clerical college states that their recordings are the official source of hymns for the copt…
  • I fully appreciate the power of oral tradition, however I also know a lot of what Archdeacon Fahim taught via cantors of the Cathedral that learnt from him such as Satir Mikhail and Osama Fawzy. If he taught this then at least he would have practice…
  • In regards to point 1 I would love to hear evidence as I have heard Resurrection liturgies of this period with the said Archdeacons and the last verse was never changed. I can also say that if this was truly what Archdeacon Fahim taught it would be …
  • I am sure you would agree that it would be good to know more about the manuscripts and what they actually say and who authored them as opposed to who is in possession of them now. Any further information would be appreciated otherwise it amounts to …
  • I'm not sure what your last post means but earlier you claimed that the practice of a procession between Ascension and Pentecost existed 15+ years and I was only pointing out that the Synod only decreed on this matter officially in 2007 so only 8 ye…
  • I'm actually in the UK and our church was established in 1976, however until a few years ago I spent every summer in Cairo, part of the motherland you refer to, learning from cantors and still in regular contact with them. I also know that even thou…
  • @ophadece definitely 8 not 18! Thanks for pointing that out.
  • Mina let me tell you that I'm in my 30's and there were no processions between Ascension and Pentecost when I was young hence why definitely not more than 20 years. This period has always been in dispute and what you say about the Sunday in between …
  • Drew, books say that you must say ekhrestos anisti after afrek etfe and before ekhrestos anilipsees. Taking it further with o nim nai and ya kolo sofoof is.... acceptable to me if you have the time. C Ibrahim said seven because up to a couple of yea…
  • On the feast of the Ascension you carry both icons as the procession is around the church as well. However during the period between Ascension to Pentecost the procession (which is to be considered a modern practice) includes the hymns of the Ascens…
  • It was changed officially in the Cathedral liturgies by Muallim Ibrahim and he even spoke to Nahdet El Kanaes and requested that they changed it in the book as they use it in the Clerical college and this did not happen for a long time. I don't see …
  • The ending in the recording is the actual correct one known as the praise of the angels. The text you refer to is originally an ending of one of the Asapasmos Adam for the Resurrection Feast. The verse was changed by Muallim Ibrahim Ayad and there i…
  • @dg920 you clearly will believe what you want to and that is not only fine with me but is your right. I also know facts, some of which I will not share here as they can be deemed a personal attack on certain individuals and not just M.Ibrahim. Belie…
  • @dg920 when you say "There has been no decision made regarding this whatsoever" what exactly are you referring to. The committee was not just M.Ibrahim's idea and has existed in one form or an other for many decades. In all honesty M.Ibrahim does no…
  • Ophadece has hit the nail on the head. The majority of people do follow blindly to the extent that they watch Cathedral liturgies or services to see 'What's new". We may all disagree with this but we know it happens. I have direct contact with the n…
  • I think the whole point is that a credible source is yet to materialise and if it does then I'm sure people's opinion may change. In response to the Ali farayhee it is correct that M.Ibrahim does not have a source and likewise M.Tawfiq is the only…
  • When I said newish I did not mean that he personally made it up but that it's existence was pretty much unheard of before Fr Abraam. I fully appreciate that coptic hymns share hezaat but 'Ya kol assufouf' is not a coptic hymn it is an arabic paralex…
  • I have asked a Cantor who teaches in HICS and he says there is no acceptable source in existence. The hymn is clearly a new(ish) composition considering it utilises hezaat from the arabic paralex 'Ya kol assufouf'.
  • My apologies the response is C.Farag's book it is in audio recording.
  • I have no issue with Palm Sunday having a liturgy psalm response and psalm 150 response and I totally agree it is a major Lordly feast. My point was that as the rites have developed then it should also automatically follow that both psalms are festi…
  • The books do not say that the second psalm is annual they say "Al mulakhus" which as anybody who knows it will know it borrows greatly from the Singary mulakhus. I personally believe that as the rites have developed there is no longer a case to ar…
  • Just to note that the commemoration of the saints is not set in stone by any means and the celebrant priest is free to add to it any saint or martyr canonised by the church. The diptych is only for the faithful who have reposed and is no longer appl…
  • Realistically with the ever growing number of bishops and the fact that they are not all known to us abroad you would not necessarily know their age or rank that's where the plural phrase of "our fathers the Metropolitans and Bishops who are with us…
  • @qawe whilst that is your opinion and I respect that the main point is hymns should not be changed by individuals as a solo practice without general consensus. The argument of whether a General Bishop is a Bishop etc is another argument which has be…
  • I was talking recently to a cantor who teaches inn the Clerical College in Cairo and he pointed out Ibrahim Ayad's new practice of saying "the beloved of Christ" instead of "preserve him upon his throne" for general bishops. He completely disagreed …
  • 1. A general bishop is not mentioned in anything if he is not physically present. 2. Diocesan bishops are considered senior to general although I have seen general bishops commemorated out of respect of age, nothing more.
  • The Synaxarium is not read on Lordly feasts if it commemorates Saints and the only explanation offered is that the focus is on the Lord. However for non-changeable Lordly feasts such as Annunciation, Nativity, Theophany etc there are Synaxarium ente…
  • The rites of the 29th of the Coptic month are not at all clear and there are numerous teachings. 1. Most common teaching is all three feasts are celebrated being Annunciation, Nativity and Resurrection, joyous tune/rituals regardless of the day of t…