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why do we get cross tattoos
ive heard many different stories
btw, wheres the best place to get one around bayonne or jersey city
GOD BLESS ALL
btw, wheres the best place to get one around bayonne or jersey city
GOD BLESS ALL
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was that during hte times of persecution many of the newbrons
parents would be martyred and thus the paretns didnt wnat their
children growing up any other religon other than Coptic Orthodox
so they tattooed their wrists with Crosses so that the growing child will kno that he/she is a Christian
i kno a place in linden called tattooville which aint too far
and theres also a place in elizabeth
He said one thing I thought was real interesting..
He said the people do get it, means theyre christian obviously, most willing to be to the point where itll always run through their blood.
LITERALLY.
lol.
if one would get it ....it would be to follow a tradition
more than to identify one as a Copt
plus it isnt a bad thing because it could serve as a kinda
constant reminder that Your a Christian, so in situations
u might see it ....and restrain from doing "un-Christian" like stuff
well i mean nowadays
if one would get it ....it would be to follow a tradition
more than to identify one as a Copt
plus it isnt a bad thing because it could serve as a kinda
constant reminder that Your a Christian, so in situations
u might see it ....and restrain from doing "un-Christian" like stuff
we had many....many posts about this before. this is not cultural tradition, not a dogmatic. the cross should always be in ur heart and in front of you all the time.
but what i meant by traditional....was that its not something of
"religous tradition, but rather it evolved from that to become a dare i say it....a part of Coptic Idenity"
true
but what i meant by traditional....was that its not something of
"religous tradition, but rather it evolved from that to become a dare i say it....a part of Coptic Idenity"
here when you say "coptic" ur talking as an egyptian or as a coptic orthodox christian. because if as a coptic orthodox christian, or a christian in general, u should always show that with ur actions and sometimes words. not a cross on ur hand.
i would sound like i am against having a cross tattoo.....trust me, i would love to have one to...but there is just no point of it of whatsoever since we're living here in the US.
I was told that after the invasion of the arabs, they forced the Copts to pay high taxes to remain Christian, and when a person came to pay the taxes, they tattood that person with the cross.
am not sure about ur source of this.
but the cross was for us to know each other during the invasion of arabs....not the opposite.
adn i HIGHLY agree with what you said about
acting as a Copt not just looking it...
but as for the Cross....i bleive taht....it now has become a part of us
more Coptic Orhtodox Cultrual rather than Meaningful
it now has become a symbol of our Heritage as Copts, which we should be proud of, this is why alot of us still get it
Btw i tend to use the word Coptic alot, by it I mean the COC not Egyptians in general
By Coptic Idenity i mean Coptic Orhtodox
adn i HIGHLY agree with what you said about
acting as a Copt not just looking it...
but as for the Cross....i bleive taht....it now has become a part of us
more Coptic Orhtodox Cultrual rather than Meaningful
it now has become a symbol of our Heritage as Copts, which we should be proud of, this is why alot of us still get it
the cross is by far the sign of our salvation and many more things. but everything u do in this life have to have meaning or a reason. why do u think we have bishops who review our rites. our rites are effected by cultural. and do to a change of culture or a society, a change of rite is do.
same here with the cross.
now like i said before that it was proven that there is no reason in for it.
now anyone can what he wants ya habibi.
i might get one....... yes...everyone does....
My Sunday School teacher was the one who told me this, but that was a long time ago, I might be mistaken, I'll ask him again just in case
I'm sorry, I should have been clearer, when I said "they" I meant the tax collectors, so that the taxed christians would be the only ones getting the tattoo.
My Sunday School teacher was the one who told me this, but that was a long time ago, I might be mistaken, I'll ask him again just in case
well that makes sense to.
actually during one of the crul kings era, christians had to carry a stone cross that is as heavy they are on their neck.
thanks,
Bishoy
wow didn't know about the heavy cross thing. Do you know whose rule this was (ie. Roman, Turkish, Arab etc.)?
oh. that was one of the arab kings. can't remeber his name thoo.
actuaily if u would to talk to a muslim person, he would tell you the they would call copts, '3adma zar'2a', meaning "blue bone".....cuz when u'd have to carry a cross that is that have on ur neck, the top bone of ur spine would turn blue.
wow thanks for all the info. Where do you learn all this? Just books? or is there a site?
well no specific source. church, servants, books, sermons........
well the original reason why we get them (or so what i heard)
was that during hte times of persecution many of the newbrons
parents would be martyred and thus the paretns didnt wnat their
children growing up any other religon other than Coptic Orthodox
so they tattooed their wrists with Crosses so that the growing child will kno that he/she is a Christian
Wow I didn't know this? When was the time of presecution? Is this in Egypt?
Interesting.
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well the original reason why we get them (or so what i heard)
was that during hte times of persecution many of the newbrons
parents would be martyred and thus the paretns didnt wnat their
children growing up any other religon other than Coptic Orthodox
so they tattooed their wrists with Crosses so that the growing child will kno that he/she is a Christian
Wow I didn't know this? When was the time of presecution? Is this in Egypt?
Interesting.
yes this is. if am not mistaken it was during Emperor Diocletian rule around the late 300s
it means tha one should not defile his body
His God Given Body by inking it for man's pleasure
but then again our Little Cross isnt exaclty a superficial tattooo
it has deep meaning it isnt to show off to people
Its to serve as a constant reminder of who we are
Doesn't it say in the bible that u shuldnt grow ur hair and get a tattoo cause ull be an embarrassment.(i dunno i think i heard it somewhere)
I agree! Getting a tattoo is actually against the bible. Look at Leviticus 19:28 "`You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord."
Seeing that we are not in an era of prosecution, then there really is no reason why we ought to get a tattoo. Especially now that we know it is against the bible!
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Doesn't it say in the bible that u shuldnt grow ur hair and get a tattoo cause ull be an embarrassment.(i dunno i think i heard it somewhere)
I agree! Getting a tattoo is actually against the bible. Look at Leviticus 19:28 "`You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord."
Seeing that we are not in an era of prosecution, then there really is no reason why we ought to get a tattoo. Especially now that we know it is against the bible!
I believe that was just the old testament. I don't think God minds us putting a tatoo of the Cross He was crucified on on our body.
In my country Ethiopia, in the country side.... a lot of the women (mostly from my tribe- amharas) have it tatooed on their forehead...
a permanent one... and some on their wrists... it is like Tradition. Our church was also prosecuted in the 11th century by a Jew queen and in the 16th century from a Muslim in the East Coast around today's Somalia....with the help of the Ottomans. He destroyed many churchs and killed manyh, but with the help of the portugues army, we were able to repel and defeat him. Then the portugees wanted to make us Catholic in return for their service ... ::) ::) So ... we had to kick them out too. ;D
[quote author=copt4eva link=topic=5635.msg75664#msg75664 date=1187488651]
Doesn't it say in the bible that u shuldnt grow ur hair and get a tattoo cause ull be an embarrassment.(i dunno i think i heard it somewhere)
I agree! Getting a tattoo is actually against the bible. Look at Leviticus 19:28 "`You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord."
Seeing that we are not in an era of prosecution, then there really is no reason why we ought to get a tattoo. Especially now that we know it is against the bible!
its not fully wrong. it depends on which way you use it.
same as many things in the bible.
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I believe that was just the old testament.
ALL the commandments in the old testement still apply for us today except if it was renewed in the new testement. u can't live the new with out the old. He was crucified for you to abolish death and grant you salvation. not on ur body....only through it to fulfill the plan of salvation.
When the bible speaks against cutting or tattooing the body, it means that we should not defile it. The cross of our Lord Jesus Christ is something that we are actually encouraged, as it says in this verse, to boast in!
It is perfectly fine to get a cross tattoo. Anything else is forbidden, whether it be a pretend face of a Christ, a declared saint by the church, or anything else so to speak. Its only the cross we are allowed to boast in.