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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2012, 08:41:41 PM »QuoteHello all,Peace and GraceMy understanding is that most of the Eastern Orthodox churches have not signed the agreement yet, including the Russians. Therefore, we are not in communion with the Eastern Orthodox Churches. In other words (for most) they need to be re-baptized, since we cannot accept their baptism because they don't accept ours. That being said, we have limited communion with some of the churches that belong to that family...Namely the patriarchate of Alexandria and Antioch. The agreement is since they accept our baptism, and we accept their baptism, then mixed marriage can occur in the church of the couple's choosing, but then they must continue in that church. We don't have this agreement with any of the other churches in that family.Some may argue that this is just political and we need to get over our differences. I believe that this has been entrusted in the hands of the theologians involved in the dialogues. We need not make our own rules and jump the gun. When the churches come out officially and say we are in communion, then we can do whatever we want, but for now, let us keep things simple and as they are so as not to cause more confusion.In Christ
jonathon wrote:« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2012, 09:44:23 PM »Quote from: sifaing on July 07, 2012, 09:34:14 PMJonathan,By your logic, we don't need to baptize catholics because, after all, they were baptized by priests.And when it comes to communion and confession and chrismation...I don't know what you are trying to say. But Communion simply means were are able to partake of the same sacraments, All the sacraments. Last I checked, Baptism was a sacrament.IMikhail,I know Fr. Peter is speaking from a faith POV. I agree with him on that. But when it comes to official protocol, the churches have not come to a definite agreement yet. So I think we shouldn't make up our own protocols.Yes, it is wrong to rebaptise Catholics. This is something that has only happened in the last 50 years. It is not at all the historic norm. Many clergy have expressed their distast at this wrong practise.
"In the light of our agreed statement on Christology..., we have now clearly understood that both families have always loyally maintained the same authentic Orthodox Christological faith, and the unbroken continuity of Apostolic tradition". It was agreed to have mutual recognition of the sacrament of Baptism, based on what St Paul wrote, "One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Eph 4:5)
the Holy Synods of both Patriarchates have agreed to accept the sacrament of marriage which is conducted in either Church with the condition that it is conducted for two partners not belonging to the same Patriarchate of the other Church from their origin. Both the Bride and the Groom should carry a valid certificate from his/her own Patriarchate that he/she has a permit of marriage and indicating the details of his/her marriage status up to
By definition to be in communion is to accept the other side's faith. If I do not accept his faith, then how can I accept the sacraments that are built on a faith I reject?
Btw what you presented in the link above has nothing to do with the EO Church. The article only represents the Melkite church which has no existence outside Egypt.