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"Regarding the tune for the hymns of the general funeral service, the official ruling from the Holy Synod is that it should be prayed as detailed in the Service of the Deacons (i.e., Pashal tune). The following is the direct response from HG Bishop Youssef.
"The general funeral service will be chanted in the Pascha tune and NOT in the annual common tune."
Annunciation = Major Feast of the Lord
Lazarus Saturday = Fixed Day (not feast)
Annunciation can not be missed, so there will be no Lazarus Saturday.
Some have mentioned that we should skip Annunciation since we will commemorate it again next month. Well, we JUST celebrated the raising of Lazarus last week! Historically and traditionally, Lazarus Saturday is not even the actual day that Our Lord raised Lazarus from the dead; it is a commemoration! The actual day is Baramhat 20, which was roughly one week ago. Lazarus Saturday is also not part of Pascha as was mentioned earlier. Pascha begins on the Eve of Monday (Palm Sunday night).
With all this being said, the priests of my church will be celebrating the Feast of the Annunciation tomorrow, not Lazarus Saturday.
OK lets get some things straightened out here:
Annunciation = Major Feast of the Lord
Lazarus Saturday = Fixed Day (not feast)
Annunciation can not be missed, so there will be no Lazarus Saturday.
Some have mentioned that we should skip Annunciation since we will commemorate it again next month. Well, we JUST celebrated the raising of Lazarus last week! Historically and traditionally, Lazarus Saturday is not even the actual day that Our Lord raised Lazarus from the dead; it is a commemoration! The actual day is Baramhat 20, which was roughly one week ago. Lazarus Saturday is also not part of Pascha as was mentioned earlier. Pascha begins on the Eve of Monday (Palm Sunday night).
With all this being said, the priests of my church will be celebrating the Feast of the Annunciation tomorrow, not Lazarus Saturday.
Well, thank you Caji for make it more confusing.
OK lets get some things straightened out here:
Annunciation = Major Feast of the Lord
Lazarus Saturday = Fixed Day (not feast)
Annunciation can not be missed, so there will be no Lazarus Saturday.
Some have mentioned that we should skip Annunciation since we will commemorate it again next month. Well, we JUST celebrated the raising of Lazarus last week! Historically and traditionally, Lazarus Saturday is not even the actual day that Our Lord raised Lazarus from the dead; it is a commemoration! The actual day is Baramhat 20, which was roughly one week ago. Lazarus Saturday is also not part of Pascha as was mentioned earlier. Pascha begins on the Eve of Monday (Palm Sunday night).
With all this being said, the priests of my church will be celebrating the Feast of the Annunciation tomorrow, not Lazarus Saturday.
With all due respect, the priest is mistaken.
PK
Lazarus Saturday = Fixed Day (not feast)
a small correction....Lazarus Saturday is NOT a FIXED DAY celebration. it is set based on whenever the Resurrection is. the fixed day of the occasion is: Baramhat 20th...it's in the senixar.
OK lets get some things straightened out here:
Annunciation = Major Feast of the Lord
Lazarus Saturday = Fixed Day (not feast)
Annunciation can not be missed, so there will be no Lazarus Saturday.
Some have mentioned that we should skip Annunciation since we will commemorate it again next month. Well, we JUST celebrated the raising of Lazarus last week! Historically and traditionally, Lazarus Saturday is not even the actual day that Our Lord raised Lazarus from the dead; it is a commemoration! The actual day is Baramhat 20, which was roughly one week ago. Lazarus Saturday is also not part of Pascha as was mentioned earlier. Pascha begins on the Eve of Monday (Palm Sunday night).
With all this being said, the priests of my church will be celebrating the Feast of the Annunciation tomorrow, not Lazarus Saturday.
caji,
To be honest, the Feast of the Annunciation being today isn't really accurate...the church fathers put it exactly 9 months before the Feast of the Nativity but if you wish to be technical, the actual annunciation of Christ was not EXACTLY 9 months before His birth, the church fathers just made it 9 months before so as not to confuse people. So the whole technical this date and technical that date doesn't matter...the average pregnancy is 267 days, so the Feast of Annunciation didn't biologically happen today, it's just the date set by the church fathers as to not confuse anyone...if anything, they should be celebrated together, but if one has to choose between either one to celebrate, Lazarus Saturday is more fitting with the occasion. Look at next week and look at the themes spiritually. It would make more sense to celebrate Lazarus Saturday, which fits much better with the themes of the Pascha than the Annunciation.
Just got the shocking news of our priest last night, as he reviewed the original rites.. it will be Lazarus rites and not the annunciation celebration then as everyone else kept saying
Oujai
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OK lets get some things straightened out here:
Annunciation = Major Feast of the Lord
Lazarus Saturday = Fixed Day (not feast)
Annunciation can not be missed, so there will be no Lazarus Saturday.
Some have mentioned that we should skip Annunciation since we will commemorate it again next month. Well, we JUST celebrated the raising of Lazarus last week! Historically and traditionally, Lazarus Saturday is not even the actual day that Our Lord raised Lazarus from the dead; it is a commemoration! The actual day is Baramhat 20, which was roughly one week ago. Lazarus Saturday is also not part of Pascha as was mentioned earlier. Pascha begins on the Eve of Monday (Palm Sunday night).
With all this being said, the priests of my church will be celebrating the Feast of the Annunciation tomorrow, not Lazarus Saturday.
caji,
To be honest, the Feast of the Annunciation being today isn't really accurate...the church fathers put it exactly 9 months before the Feast of the Nativity but if you wish to be technical, the actual annunciation of Christ was not EXACTLY 9 months before His birth, the church fathers just made it 9 months before so as not to confuse people. So the whole technical this date and technical that date doesn't matter...the average pregnancy is 267 days, so the Feast of Annunciation didn't biologically happen today, it's just the date set by the church fathers as to not confuse anyone...if anything, they should be celebrated together, but if one has to choose between either one to celebrate, Lazarus Saturday is more fitting with the occasion. Look at next week and look at the themes spiritually. It would make more sense to celebrate Lazarus Saturday, which fits much better with the themes of the Pascha than the Annunciation.
The tradition always teaches that the period was exactly 9 month, as we say in many cases, 9 full months. I believe this is a sign of Christ taking a perfect human flesh.
+Kyrillos+
That's just tradition though, that is what the church fathers passed down. But I feel like the reason is to avoid confusion...and besides, a month is not a universal measure of time, a month in one calendar is different than a month in a different calendar. The Coptic Calendar is more similar to the Jewish Calendar than the Gregorian Calendar, and the Coptic one is divided into 12 months of 30 days and a month of 6 days...so 9 months in the Gregorian Calendar isn't the same as 9 in the Jewish Calendar (for all of you technical people out there).
(in case u r not already confused enough!)
Oujai