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The translation of Orthodoxy according to the African culture. So, in Africa, the people pray whilst clapping hands, they use guitars and drums IN the Coptic Church. The Bishop there is quite charismatic. He's a brilliant man. Really. but he forgets to tell the youth that they are in Africa. The youth go back to where they came from (UK, France, Canada, USA), and they have the mindset that "its OK to change Orthodox Traditions for the sake of cultural requirements".
They got ordained in very critical places like Washington D.C.
Ummm....so we should start getting protestant in church because they make money.... ok you've convinced me! Yeah everyone lets go burn our 'service of the deacon' books! The protestants are making money! Yea, lets go clap and sing in the streets!! Oh happy day, we can all buy our tickets to heaven....
musical style cannot, in itself, be ‘Protestant’. Yes, perhaps historically Protestants have tended to use it, but that doesn’t give them ownership over that style, anymore than Protestants doing mathematics gives them ownership over the set of natural numbers. Can you imagine that? “No! We mustn’t count in our Church! We’d become Protestants!” What About Instruments? H.H Pope Shenouda allows a OHwood(I guess its like and Egyptian guitar) to be used on his Wednesday night meetings in order that the congregations heart may be drawn and focus prior to his lecture. Is our Blessed Pope protestant because he has introduced an instument with songs into the church? God Forbid!
Stavro undermines the Hierarchy of the church and makes it seem that any laymen who is charismatic and a money making machine should be ordained
When public statements are made about ordained clerics in the church like this it should be left as stated above to the Holy Synod to discuss not on tasbeha.org.
This is not the right spirit of the any member of the body of Christ.
I wrote a letter to HH Pope Shenouda about this matter and He has not given his stance on the issue.
We should not call any Bishop or clergy without their titles.
You are not in the position of Hierarchy to speak like this.
What good is coming our of these accusations? Are you building the church by making these claims.
We are to respect our mother church because if we do not submit ourselves to them we are indeed protesting against the church and its teaching.
Our Holy Father Pope Shenouda with the Holy Synod are the ones to determine those who are preaching and teaching in an Unorthodox fashion. Not you.
Please refrain from posting these comments on a page like this because it makes our Blessed Church look unstable and if you attack the church you attack Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
GeorgeT for example is a young man from my church who is only 13 years old. Some of the statements above might confuse him as he stated.
A musical style cannot, in itself, be ‘Protestant’. Yes, perhaps historically Protestants have tended to use it, but that doesn’t give them ownership over that style, anymore than Protestants doing mathematics gives them ownership over the set of natural numbers. Can you imagine that? “No! We mustn’t count in our Church! We’d become Protestants!”
It is true that we are blessed with a long and rich tradition of worship in the Coptic Church. Not only does our Liturgy trace its roots back directly to Apostolic times, but our hymns go back even further. It is truly awesome to walk into Church in procession on a major feast day singing the very words and tunes that the ancient Egyptians would sing as the Pharoah entered the Temple in procession! It astounds me and humbles me to think of the hymn Epouro cascading down the generations of the past three or four millenia to land on our threshold here in the United States in the 21st century!
This is a precious pearl to be carefully guarded and preserved, and we have a tremendous responsibility to pass on to our children the good sense to enjoy it and appreciate it, and the immense importance of preserving it. This we do in many ways already, and we are planning more ways to implement in the future, such as DVDs explaining the liturgy and a Children’s Liturgy.But having one precious and ancient pearl does not prevent you from also acquiring some less unique treasures, does it?