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if wat u say is true than wats the point of judgement day? there are to many inconsistencies, in you argument, too many loose ends which can not be explained. God through out the old and the new testement has made it very clear to us that by choosin…
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thankyou marmar, much much more info is needed, any ideas would be great.
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thankyou safaa, we come to agreement. as for USMN's references and inconcise exegesis, iqbal refuted all aspects of this heresy, includin the use of the word "all" in the church father quotes, he also refuted the allegations made by him concerning,…
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[quote author=Iqbal link=board=1;threadid=1978;start=30#msg30016 date=1120221476] Dear all, Allow me to offer some points against the implicit proposition implied by some; that Christ's descent into hades was for the purpose of redeeming each and e…
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great thankyou so much, very very helpful, esp the st monica one, and yeah i got that one, it was st simon the tanner that moved the mountain. thnx so much more will be great.
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mate, who said this thomas guy is correct??? he made an observation, his opinion on how it SHOULD be translated, who said he was rite???? who said yes this is a correct observation?? who? u? "Coptic Church does not hold to Papal Infallibility. Pop…
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thnx sooo much princess, very helpful but i still really need a whole lot more info. PLZ MORE CONTRIBUTIONS.
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I SEE CHAINS AS METAPHORICAL, BROKE THE CHAINS, THE FETTERSAS IN THE BONDS WHICH BOUND THEM TO HADES. AND YES OUR CHURCH DOES BELIEVE IT WAS REFERING TO JUDAS, I HEARD A SERMON FROM POPE SHENUDA AND HE REFERED TO IT. SEE ANGLICAN, THERES THE PROB…
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ok the sections in hades part is good, but u think that the ppl bein tourmented were freed? see i believe that the were in the righteous section were freed. "even if I were to grant the "traditional" (corrupted) interpretation of that verse" corr…
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im sure judas died before, but lets just say he did, that means he wood be eligible to be raised to heaven? which is another contrediction to this belief as if says the one who betrays the son of man, it woodve been better from not to have been bor…
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so that also means judas is in heaven??
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[quote author=u_stole_my_name link=board=1;threadid=1978;start=15#msg29959 date=1120187122] G.J.I: And besides.....that's precisely the point: Christ's Victory and Liberation were out of boundless Mercy.....so you're right: it's not "fair" or "jus…
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really for people who practised homosexuallity, which "God hates" they were given passage to heaven? where in our belief do we profess that people got a second chance? and u fail to mention the unforgivable sin, wat if these ppl who were in hades di…
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this is a contridiction. ask urself how does that make sense? how is that ethical? how is that fair? how is that Christian? u think that people who were, like i said b4, fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, homosexuals, sodomites, thieves, cove…
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how does that make sense????
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that also means ppl who die now and were fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, homosexuals, sodomites, thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, or extortioners, wont go to hades, because others u died in there sin before christ died were given a s…
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Then allow me to submit this: 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor …
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Iqbal, assistance please.
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Heresy.
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thnx guys much appreciated but i really need examples, as i mentioned above stories to go along with the theme. life stories of saints or people who experienced a type of prayer. eg moses the black, prayer of repentance. but in more detail. thnx
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plz contribute if u can.
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thnx xaira, very helpful. u_stole_my_name are u tellin me that the early fathers believed that even the sodomites and the idoleters that died and went to hades were "delivered from there by Christ. "
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fasting and prayer.
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"Be angry, and do not sin." Psalm 4 harshness and firmness is wat held our church together.
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this thread is an example of empty, vain talk. focus on Christ, then ul know how to differnciate between vain talk and benificial talk.
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...attacment...
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God we thank You for his Holy reign and we ask You to repose his soul in the paradise of delight, We also pray Lord that he is replaced by a strong man, who will perform Your will, and lead our brethren, the Catholics.
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there are many contemplations on that verse about blaspheming against the holy spirit pope shenuda said in his book answering biblical questions that it was denying the holy spirit to work through you, in other words sining with out repentance...the…
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its got to do with the bubonic plag (the black death) which swept through Europe in the 14th centuary-when someone who was infected was about to die they would go into a sneezing fit, and that was a sign that death was near, so wen that wood hapn ev…