Hello,
Just thought I'd add more information to my previous post. Here is the course description for the Society's course on the Divine Liturgy:
Course Title: The Orthodox Divine Liturgy: An Introduction
Instructor: Ramez Mikhail
Course Descript…
Rem,
We need to talk about manuscripts. I have a research project that I am working on that requires me to look at manuscripts, or at least published texts in catalogs...etc. Having trouble locating academic info on a couple manuscripts. I hope yo…
If the language is Coptic, Arabic, or Greek (or any of the common Modern European languages really) I believe many people here can help. I'd be interested in seeing what book this is.
RO,
Do you read French? Here is an article I found online in French about the doctrine of the Logos in Justin by Michel Fedou. Don't know who that is, but it seems supported by scholarly sources. There is also a bibliography in the end with further…
Thanks for the compliments, Rem :)
To be honest, I did enter some words into Google. My Modern Greek vocab at this point is somewhere around 80-90% of this article. Yes, Google is awful with huge chunks of text, but it could be really helpful with …
Here is a translation I attempted:
His Beatitude, Pope and Patriarch of Alexandria and All of Africa, Kyrios Theodoros II accepted on the [blessed] day of the birth of the God-Man, the feast wishes [congrats or warm wishes] of the Coptic Patriarch …
Here is a link to a blog that has posted Books 1 and 2:
http://amirlatif92.blogspot.com/2012/11/tartib-al-baya.html
Also, here is a link to an Arabic article on the Gospel responses in the Coptic tradition written by Fr. Maqar Al-Baramusi. It talk…
Rem,
Part 1 and 2 of Bishop Samuel's Chuch Order is available online, though in very poor quality.
I have just recently decided to start chanting the variable Gospel responses for kiahk, translated to English from the Coptic/Arabic text of Bishop…
I agree with Rem that Efemepsha and Tiparthenos are most likely recent additions, and I have in fact felt this way for quite a while. By recent, I don't necessarily mean the last 200 hundred years (although believe it or not, that is also a possibil…
After a quick glance, it seems that the copy of Ibn Kabar that I have does not include anything related to Kiahk or the nativity fast in terms of ritual or the number of days. I am not sure if there are missing parts here of Ibn Kabar's work that ma…
Patriarch Bartholomew is the Patriarch and Archbishop of Constantinople. Note that he is not called "Pope". Only three hierarchs have that title: the Greek Orthodox Primate of Alexandria, our own Coptic pope, and the Pope of Rome. Patriarch Bartholo…
Archdeacon Roshdi Wassef is not celibate. He is married and has one (maybe two) children.
For those interested in his background, he has a MA from the Higher Institute of Coptic Studies, and a PhD in Liturgy from Aristotle University in Thessalonik…
Coptic_Deacon,
The Kyrillou vs. Kyrillos you notice in the hymn Evxais is not modern Greek vs. Coptic. For starters, this hymn is neither modern greek nor Coptic, it is basically Koine Greek, or what is sometimes called "Church Greek" by some. The …
This is very interesting.
The response is mentioned by Burmester in his chapter on the Liturgy of St. Basil, but this does not mean much. Burmester for most part was describing services as they were conducted at his time, so it is merely a record …
Very interesting question indeed.
I too will look into whatever sources I have, which are not many. This section of the Divine Liturgy is really part of what is labeled as post-anaphoral prayers, which are often neglected in scholarly treatments.
RO,
The Anaphora of St. Basil (whether in its Coptic version used by our church or the Greek version used occasionally by Chalcedonain Orthodox traditions) is addressed to the Father, not the Son.
In fact, the anaphora of St. Gregory the Theologia…
Dear imikhail,
When I first posted on this discussion, my comment was regarding the switching, and I've tried (sometimes unsuccessfully) to keep it limited to that. I understand I responded to other side issues here and there, and maybe the entire …
Dear imikhail,
I did not mean to say that I necessarily disagree with Fr. Shenouda Maher. I am sorry my wording was not clear enough. What I meant is that you cite him as someone I am going against, which is not exactly true.
Fr. Shenouda's entir…
An update:
Met. Bishoy published an English translation of his response, as well as his previous response to Anba Youssef. Both can be found here:
http://metroplit-bishoy.org/english/index.htm
Dear Severian,
Thanks for asking. The translation I made was to give a comprehensive access to those who can't read Arabic to everything that is being written and said. Without speaking too bluntly of what I think of H.E. Met. Bishoy's writing and …
For those of you still following the debate raging currently on the Synod level regarding the election of Diocesan bishops, H.E. Met. Bishoy has published a response to H.G. Bishop Serapion's research dated July 12th and titled "The Selection of a P…
Hey Rem,
Sorry I've been away from the discussion for a few days. I see the discussion has progressed quite a bit since I've last responded. I don't know if I can respond to everything that has been said since, especially imikhail's comments and qu…
Hi Bibo, it's been a while!
Thanks for jumping in. I think we are largely saying the same thing from different angles. You are saying that the Trisagion repeated three times cannot be all regarding the Son, while I am simply saying the Isaiah visio…
Not sure if I would call it a skull cap, though I've also seen those used. The diaconal head gear has become very rare in the Coptic church, but what I've seen is more of a crown. Looks rather like a Turkish fez without the tassle, with a cross on t…
Hi Remenkimi,
Ok, so there is disagreement between us so far even regarding the history of the text itself. Sorry, I mistakenly assumed that what I read in multiple places was universally accepted. However, for the sake of clarity and academic inte…
Hi Remenkimi,
Thanks for chiming in, sir! I am very glad someone else decided to join the conversation, as I feel that now we can have a productive discussion in which both of us can walk away having learned something new. Your input is certainly a…
Dear imikhail,
I am afraid you misunderstood my argument, or maybe confused it with what others prior to me were saying. I am not at all addressing the question of which is more authentic/older, as this is not at all debated and it is perfectly und…