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I am glad that we have moved out of having a theological discussion to having a scientific one. I hope that our issues with evolution are scientific based and not theologically based. God Bless
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No worries
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Creation is not a miracle in the strictest sense. A miracle is something that goes against the physical laws of the universe, for example the virgin birth or the resurrection. Creation is the making of the universe itself, so it cannot already be go…
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Why did the Holy Spirit not mention Joachim and Anna's story in the Gospel?
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Zoxsasi, The Church shows us that Adam is representative of humanity. When the Monday Theotokia says God came to bring Adam back again is he not representing humanity? When St. Paul says "The first man was of the dust of the earth and the second Ma…
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+1
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I never once implied that Adam may or may have not existed. I just told you that reading the Genesis creation account as allegory does not negate Adam's existence. Of course Adam existed if humanity was to start anywhere than it was by him. But bein…
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Again, this is a misunderstanding of the word allegorical. Allegory is not synonymous with symbolic. Allegory simply means that a concrete material story which represents a much harder to understand mystical reality. This is not to say that Adam an…
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Thanks Zoxsasi, It was nice discussing this with you despite some of the frustration we both felt! Pray for me as well, God bless you
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That's fine, but the Church has no official doctrine on evolution and one of our late bishops believed in it and there are a number of priests and layman who profess. Notice however what they're doing, they're giving scientific proof and arguments …
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Sign me up too lol
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That's another whole topic. It does not touch on the supposed conflict between science and Exegesis. I will say this however. Christ was incarnate and destroyed death not to take away the battle but to give us victory over it. "In this world you wi…
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A good example of the above quotes in our liturgical practice is the seventh part of the Monday Theotokia.
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So long as they remained in communion with God they were entirely immortal.
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Do you see how St. Athanasius, as all the Fathers, are seeing the story? They see it as expressing a much deeper truth and reality than what first appears at the surface. We must read all the Scriptures this way, first seeing what is necessarily lit…
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And again: "Upon them, therefore, upon men who, as animals, were essentially impermanent, He bestowed a grace which other creatures lacked—namely the impress of His own Image, a share in the reasonable being of the very Word Himself, so that, reflec…
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Zoxsasi, That's right. That is the jist of it. Except God creates with or without evolution. He can use any method He wants, science is merely the honest search for that method. Let me share a passage from On the Incarnation by St. Athanasius with…
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Another point, To think that when Adam is referred to he is not representing others (especially in the New Testament), don't forget St. Paul mentions how Adam and Eve both sinned, but then he says "sinned entered through one Man", or just as all fel…
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Zoxsasi, I don't think you really got what I was saying in my arguments. You read points but you didn't get the jist of the whole spiel. So let me break it down for you. I don't care to prove or disprove evolution, I would go to scientists to do tha…
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We are used to hearing that story differently
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Zoxsasi, what did I or minasoliman change to "accommodate" science. I'd rather get my science from science than the Bible. I'd also rather get my teaching of salvation from the Church (and Bible) than from any philosopher. Show me where in that pos…
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minasoliman, I couldn't agree with you more! A lot of time these days gets wasted on trying to prove or disprove scientific theories reading Scripture than understanding the underlying message of salvation behind it.
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At the end of the day, we must understand that the Word of God, our Lord Jesus Christ is Absolute Truth and as He says Himself, "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me." (John 5…
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First, let me be clear that I am not trying to prove evolution here. I am simply defending that honest scientific inquiry and its resulting findings cannot be at odds with Scripture. Point in case? Evaluate these verses:1. "He set the earth on its f…
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Zoxsasi can I ask you a question,how does the number of people who fell from Paradise affect our theology of salvation? It is pretty clear that as humanity, as created to be one Body and in harmony, we fell together since we are interconnected as sh…
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Zoxsasi, there are two ways to argue. One is to think you're right and you have to disprove everyone else who disagrees which also means you have to stop listening to others. The other way is to ask a question, give your understanding on the topic,…
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"who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." (2 Corinthians 3:6)
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Zoxsasi,the problem we are having with your posts is that you are not properly addressing what has been posted earlier and it is very frustrating. I feel for minasoliman. Let me put this for you in basic point form: 1. God created you2. He does not …
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Perhaps you should ask the question in reverse, how is evolving from Apes keeping you from being in the image and Likeness of God?
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I'm not talking about the Catholic concept. I'm talking about how I described it and how the fathers did.