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@ShereTheLord...That was the goal when it was established, but that was never made true...yet, they are for sure a great source. The problem with all this is there are too many local traditions that need to be considered and/or reconciled to truly h…
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no comment :-)
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Cantor Ibrahim Ayad is ordained a full deacon by HEM Pakhomios during the time when the throne was empty. He is a consecrated full deacon, so he can administer the Blood. He's just another source but by far the clearest and the most well know in th…
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I found it. Yes, there was a mistake in the english text (duplicate from another paragraph)...that's a copy and paste mistake that's specifically in that page--it was not a mistake in translation. And, like minamakar said, the text we used is 'pot'.…
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It's acceptable to recognize that God has wrath and anger... as long as that doesn't bring the person to the extreme of thinking that we worship a god of fear, rather than of love. There are many biblical verses that do say that God has wrath and an…
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@JoeAskharoun. So, first, please consider that the text in there is liturgical in essence and is used in St. Mark's Jersey City. While I have been the one who is editing for many years, many have contributed and are still doing so in many ways, one …
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Musical ornaments. ... Lol
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hehe, @mabsoota, hazzat are actually called "ornaments"
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I do like their hymns :-)
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A couple of mentions in the Sunday Theotokia alone: - 7th Part: "The rod of Aaron, which blossomed, without planting or watering, is a symbol of you." (http://tasbeha.org/hymn_library/view/139), "Wherein is placed, the rod of Aaron, and the holy flo…
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@EstephanosPhilipos...thanks for your participation though. I believe we all agree to some certain extent. I do have to clear up something though:"as well as in more areas in North America that are directly governed by our Patriarch." That is not a…
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@EstephanosPhilipos...that's the opinion of "some" of the bishops and a very few numbered priests in the US and Canada. Let's not generalize things.
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@EstephanosPhilipos.... of course, when arguments fall short, we just put the blame on leaders... But who do you think advices these leaders?! Still us.
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@ItalianCoptic...that's what i have been saying all along. Equate English (or the local language) to Arabic, and NOT Coptic... In doing so, you don't even get the issue of reinventing the current structure of the liturgy which does accommodate a due…
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That's the setup that we have been doing at St. Mark's Jersey City as far as i remember...since 1999 i believe. But the difference is, it's not an all-english liturgy, it's a coptic/english liturgy and the other is coptic/arabic liturgy.....the midd…
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I fail to see that proposal to be anything other than a separation between the churches. And I actually personally disagree with having immigrants based churches as a whole. Even in a moderately english balanced church, we struggle with helping immi…
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I don't think referencing the Ethiopian church is a good example. Different times and we are not sure exactly what happened there. Also, all of africa was under the jurisdiction of the Church of Alexandria at the time, and we don't exactly know how …
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@EstephanosPhilipos. @Daniel_Kyrillos is from the states. And while you are correct about having some churches already taking that step, the idea is greatly criticized and creeps up all the time in other areas in which there isn't a bishop that will…
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This is a non-ending argument--I have it all the time with many individuals--and sadly, the middle ground is never acceptable to the anti-coptic extreme. Since I am pro-coptic, I just wanna give some quick responses to the points above. "We are the …
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Nothing happens when I go-to the link ... Just takes me to their homepage. Also, doesn't sound like a good source in general. From what I have heard though, this custom was never a thing in church and that's the same case for FGM. But, rural areas …
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It looks like I am going to be locking all homosexuality posts. @metouro...please stop digging up these discussions. You are welcome to look at them and read, but we are not talking about this topic again...hence me deleting your comment. @menneerya…
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I am speaking as an American . I agree with you about civil unions, and we don't have those in the states. But, we can agree on resolving that problem instead of redefining marriage. Fix laws to accommodate that distinction. Tell the government that…
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:-) I am saying it's not that easy to define.
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I expected this whole thing of "separation of church and state" to come up...which today is not really defined. Thomas Jefferson is the first to use that phrase to defend the church from the acts of state, referencing the freedom of religion clause.…
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That's something that you can't just talk about lightly. You have to consider first how are you judging the hymn....are we talking about differences in a small number of hazzat, or different places to pause, or different syllables to stop at, or the…
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@metouro. This topic is a bit complicated and numbers are for sure hard to provide. But, the Orthodox Church's stance is the same. That being said, you have to consider that we cannot deal with homosexuality without considering it to be like any oth…
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Yes, but that is the same for many other verses in the NT too. But that is not good enough for the Church to just ignore what she had always included in the Tradition of the Bible. The Bible is not defined by scholars, but it's defined by and is fou…
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It's the same as all others...it ends at AMEN. That is what's handed down though the Church's readings, specifically the Holy Fifties.
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If I am not mistaken, Yahoo Groups is closing down.