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  • Today I am enrolling the first Egyptian student who has been processed and registered through the excellent organisation Panarion which is acting as our Agency in Egypt. Thanks to the generosity of a few, a very few, we are able to sponsor brothers…
  • There is still an urgent and pressing need to raise sponsorship funds to allow potential students from Egypt, elsewhere in the Middle East, and disadvantaged students from around the world to access the online, distance learning courses of the Londo…
  • I will withdraw rather than enter into any argument.
  • Imikhail is mistaken I and saying that the Christological formula was condemned and then the Trinitarian use was introduced. On the contrary these uses were contemporary and Chalcedonians used both, as did the Roman Church. It was only as the use of…
  • Please do not speak in such a way. The original formula is the same as the one which the Eastern Orthodox still use. The way you are speaking us disrespectful to all of the Holy Synods and to Pope Shenouda and all his efforts. I shall consider mod…
  • I don't see why. Anyone who is educated among the Eastern Orthodox knows that this canon is based on a mistaken assumption that the additions are being referred to the Trinity. But they are not and never have been. This canon prevents the hymn when…
  • It would surely depend on the priest? If he was educated in the variety of uses of the Trisagion then he might either choose to sing as he was accustomed, or choose to sing as we are accustomed. But it would depend on the priest. Either form is Or…
  • I dont believe any of these fathers refer to the Trisagion hymn. I think imikhsil is confusing reference to the holy, holy, holy of Isaiah with the hymn we call the Trisagion. I think I will bow out if this as it seems that everything I say is contr…
  • There is nothing in the basic form which requires it to be Trinitarian or Christological. It can be either. And in Coinstantinople it was addressed to the Trinity. If I were participating in an Eastern Orthodox liturgy I would address it to the Trin…
  • In Constantinople it was used as a Trinitarian hymn, but in Syria, where it originated, it was a Christological hymn and was used as a Christological hymn even by Chalcedonians. As the rite of Constantinople came to predominate in Eastern Orthodoxy…
  • It is because the Eastern Orthodox use it now as a Trinitarian hymn, and therefore the additional phrases are not appropriate. The Oriental Orthodox use it as a Christological hymn, and therefore add phrases which are appropriate to such a focus. …
  • They all call him a saint. Not all saints are in the Coptic calendar. But they are still saints.
  • And so does SUSCOPTS and LACOPTS and of course Pope St Kyrillos of blessed memory.
  • I certainly consider St Isaac the Syrian and so does HG Abba Daniel of St Shenouda monastery in AU.
  • I don't know. I haven't time to source the original Coptic texts. That wasn't really the point I was quoting these texts for. Don't forget that in formal English worship does not mean the adoration due only to God. This is why judges are 'Your Wors…
  • You miss the point imikhail. Of course the author is not Evodius of Rome living in the first century, but this IS quite clearly a Coptic homily used on the feasts of our Lady. This is how it has been preserved. You have shown that Evodius is not …
  • I don't really want to get into this thread as I am busy completing a paper on the Traditional method of receiving Chalcedonians by confession of faith. But I was reading a sermon by Evodius of Rome, translated into Boharic Coptic dated to the mid-s…
  • This is a very old thread that you have resurrected. It would not be wise of you to base your judgement about communities on what you read on internet forums. They very rarely indeed present an authentic view of any group. I am the co-Secretary of…
  • You cannot convert because you want to be with someone. You can only convert because you believe that Christianity is true, and that God should be the sole object of our desire. An Orthodox Christian should never enter into a relationship with a M…
  • I wouldn't give too much credence to the term 'Dark Ages'. The Church in the West was at its most brilliant in many regards after the fall of the Roman Empire. Certainly the churches in the British Isles reached their height in the period after the…
  • Constantine didn't bring the Christian faith to Europe. It was already here. Many of the early Fathers of the Church were all in Europe, such as St Justin Martyr, St Irenaeus of Lyons etc. The early martyrs of Britain all predate Constantine.
  • Daniel, I am afraid that this is irrelevant to the issue of whether or not we have the same faith. My own bishop will be meeting the Ecumenical Patriarch soon, as he regularly does, and he could not be more welcoming. Likewise the Russian bishop in …
  • Well you can have the last word then. I am not sure what to say to object to your view without becoming heated. So I wish you well.
  • You are wrong. And on such an important matter I cannot allow you to state something that is so wrong. I have studied these matters for the last 18 years, and I have participated in a variety of ecumenical and private dialogues. The identity of f…
  • Isaac the Syrian was a bishop and monk of the Church of the East. His writings were to be found in many of the Egyptian desert monastery libraries and he remains an outstanding guide to the spiritual life. You can obtain his Mystical Treatises her…
  • metouro, the faith is not different. You might want to read my book Orthodox Christology... http://www.lulu.com/shop/father-peter-farrington/orthodox-christology/paperback/product-10969273.html or one of my websites... http://www.orthodoxunity.o…
  • I believe that there are canons handling the marriage of subdeacons. Someone could check the major councils and synods, and the Apostolic Constitutions. But it has always been my understanding that subdeacons should ordinarily be married before ordi…
  • A full deacon is required to be married before he becomes a deacon, so a deacon is not usually permitted to marry anyone, if he is not already married.