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The Morning Doxology (tasbehat Baker)
Does anyone have a recording of all of tasbehat baker (the Morning Doxology)? It would be greatly appreciated.
GBU
GBU
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Does anyone have a recording of all of tasbehat baker (the Morning Doxology)? It would be greatly appreciated.
GBU
hmmmmm
http://tasbeha.org/media/index.php?q=morning+doxology&type=track&action=search
PK
i have never heard it sung in english. And now even in most churches except monasteries, someone says it inaudible to themselves before matins starts.
PK
Actually, I used to do the Morning Doxology in Coptic before Matins until the hegomen of my Church told me that I do not need to do it. Also, I do not believe that there are any recordings of English Morning Doxology anywhere on the Internet.
PK
Morning Doxology Regular
Morning Doxology (Festive) - (3rd and 4th Tracks)
i have never heard it sung in english. And now even in most churches except monasteries, someone says it inaudible to themselves before matins starts.
PK
thats odd in my church we do it out loud but like no one is ever there because we come extra early to pray it, I have heard the one by Ibrahim Ayad but it isnt in english of course. But thank you for the links
Just another small note, during Matins you pray the praise of the Angels, the Trisagion etc: all the prayers before and after the doxology. So they need to be prayed during the first hour of the agpeya. This is a mistake that is often made. When you think about it it makes sense, why would you pray it double?
So instead, after the troparia (and Lord have mercy + Holy + Absolution - not 100% sure about this btw), you go ahead with the Morning Doxology and wait untill abouna starts Matins.
PS the same really goes for the 12th Hour prayers, that you pray before the Vesper praise and Vespers!
Just another small note, during Matins you pray the praise of the Angels, the Trisagion etc: all the prayers before and after the doxology. So they need to be prayed during the first hour of the agpeya. This is a mistake that is often made. When you think about it it makes sense, why would you pray it double?
So instead, after the troparia (and Lord have mercy + Holy + Absolution - not 100% sure about this btw), you go ahead with the Morning Doxology and wait untill abouna starts Matins.
PS the same really goes for the 12th Hour prayers, that you pray before the Vesper praise and Vespers!
Yeah, Hos Erof, you are right. In the Holy Psalmody book by St. Mark's Coptic Orthodox Church of California, they mention that you must say the First Hour Psalms before. Our Church, though, doesn't say the First Hour Psalms for some reason. I am not sure why.
P.S.: Vespers is 11th Hour not 12th.
So the same rule as the First hour is applied here. You stop after the troparia, then you probably say 41 x Lord Have Mercy, followed by Holy Holy Holy and the absolution, and you keep the other prayers for Vespers:
Graciously =>
Holy God all three to be said after the
Hail to You: the beginning of the doxologies Litany for the departed
we magnify you =>
the creed both to be said after the doxologies
Oh yes you are right, but I never meant to say that we don't pray the 12th hour Agpeya. It's just that often people will pray "tafadal ya Rab - Graciously..." and the Trisagion etc etc, while these prayers are to be said during Vespers.
So the same rule as the First hour is applied here. You stop after the troparia, then you probably say 41 x Lord Have Mercy, followed by Holy Holy Holy and the absolution, and you keep the other prayers for Vespers:
Graciously =>
Holy God all three to be said after the
Hail to You: the beginning of the doxologies Litany for the departed
we magnify you =>
the creed both to be said after the doxologies
I see, but why don't they pray the 11th Hour if the 11th Hour is called Vespers and the 12th Hour is called Compline?
I only mentioned the 12 hour in my previous posts because it's the only hour which has many prayers after the troparia (just like the first hour) - which was the point I was discussing. After the 9th and 11th hour you only pray Lord have Mercy 41 times, and Holy Holy Holy!
Are you saying I can start this in my Church? Can I start from this Saturday on, until God knows when? Is reading 9th - 12th Hours necessary, or not?
So it isn't required, it is optional, to say it out loud. But it must be expressed someway or another (reading in your head, outloud, whatever). One more thing, are there any rites to this, like may it change for Palm Sunday or the Saturdays of Lent or Kiahk?
Note that the morning doxology is actually prayed on Bright saturday AND during matins of the Resurrection feast in the hymn that we call "the seven ways" hymn, and also partly in the festal introduction of the Verses of the Cymbals. So consider Holy week starts from monday and ends friday for this morning-doxology-agpeya-rite ;)
As for the Agpeya, if I remember correctly, during Great Lent we pray only the 11th and 12th hour in the evening of saturday. I can't remember if this is applied to all fasting days, i'd have to check when I get home.
The rest of the weekdays of Lent there's no vespers - note also that we pray the third up untill the 12th hour during the weekday liturgies of Lent.