Synod Should Restore Patriarchal Marriage

    The Coptic Synod has recently announced a new program to strengthen Coptic marriages against the increasing rates of civil divorce. Is the Synod’s program going to face this forum’s unexplained defamations and censorship similar to those retaliations against Irishpilgrim’s criticisms of the unopposed increases in these divorces? The moderators’ arbitrary, secret deletions of these criticisms prevented reasonable discussions of the spiritual and social damages to Coptic fathers and children by the failure to examine and correct the feminist and Freudian support for this “right to divorce” culture by U. S. Coptic leadership.
    For the past twenty some years, the Coptic Department of Youth, all U. S. bishops, their favored teaching , censoring and defaming forum moderators, and their YouTube performing representatives have promoted a heterodox, feminist, Freudian psychology pleasing misrepresentation of the Holy Bible’s and Holy Fathers’ and Mothers’, long proven, patriarchal gender and family order principles. This illogical,  immoral, and heterodox innovation has inevitably been the basis for thousands of traumatized innocent Coptic victims of U. S. (and now exported “modern copy cats” of) civil divorce - all for the unfair profit and esteem of the corrupt U. S. feminist political, divorce attorney and psycho-medical interests. I know of many Coptic fathers who have futilely pleaded to their bishops, priests and Coptic “professional secular family relationship experts” for Holy Bible based support and assistance for their betrayed Coptic marriages and children. I have never seen, nor heard of, any English language open inquiry and discussion to correct this generation-long disgraceful compromise of current and future Coptic families and its underlying heterodox feminist bases.

    More secretive schemes to enforce these skillfully manipulated redefinitions of God created (and Apostle explained) gender and family order can only result in the further decay of the foundations of Coptic family substance, to the same “church wide” spiritual (and social) chaos and apostasy that nearly all Western, so called “modern Protestant, Catholic and Eastern Orthodox (except ROCOR),  christian” denominations have declined.

    I understand that Pope Kyrillos VI’s and Bishop Gregorios’ teachings of these crucial gender and family principles, in Arabic, are available for reference by the Synod and Coptic scripture, gender and family theologians. I’ve been unsuccessful, for about twenty years, in my efforts to obtain English translations or discussions of these publications. I’ve even found that Abouna Tadros Malaty’s discussion of 1 Peter 3:1-7 has been omitted from some editions of Abouna’s commentary on Christ’s chosen Chief Shepard’s general First Epistle to his struggling, persecuted flock. As I recall, this crudely “edited” commentary was published by the Coptic Department of Youth. This Traditional gender and family model had reasonably served the families and societies of all believers and cultures for nearly 2000 years, until the disfunctional Freud family’s modern mercenary “counseling” theories found increasing popularity - now even with the Coptic Church’s modern science educated, abbreviated monastic experienced, leadership.

    Come, Holy Spirit. Stop the censors and editors of Your Word. Lead Your Coptic fathers, mothers and their children to truly know and obey the Orthodox gender and family codes of Your Holy Bible and Tradition.      



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    [ deleted by Admin ]   Can you just give me a 1 sentence summary?
  • A one sentence summary may be: You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. Mt. 22:37.

    One more: If you love Me keep My commandments. John 14:15.

    Another: And the Lord God said, It is not good for man to be alone. I will make him a helper suitable for him. Gen. 2:18.

    Another: The woman said, The serpent tricked me and I ate. Gen. 3:13.

    Another: To the woman He said, ... You will desire to rule your husband, but he shall rule over you. Gen. 3:16.

    Apostolic confirmation: Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear. 1 Peter 3:1.

    Husbands’ leadership: Husbands, Likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered. 1 Peter 3:7.    

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    Although there is no (uncensored) Coptic concerns, there are still vestiges of light and truth for women and families in English speaking Christian Orthodox Churches:

        From the Patriarch of All Russia:

        From Archbishop Chrysostomos:

        From ROCOR and Orthodox America:

        From Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America:

        From Donna Steichen, the recognized expert observer and reporter of 40 years of  Roman Catholic feminism:

        From sincere observers of the fruits of 40 years of the "open door and open minded" OCA theology studies:

        Even from the "easy in, easy out," "any oikonomia will do" Evangelical Antiochian Orthodox:

        Why haven't any English spoken (or English translated) Coptic Orthodox warnings of these heretical feminist and/or  freudian modernisms been published, taught, or discussed (since Pope Kyrillos VI's and Bishop Gregorios' prophetic Traditional apostolic orthodox messages on gender and family theology, in Arabic)?  Will this Modern Coptic Scientific Church match the 1900+ years of the Coptic Orthodox family strength and success that it seeks to reform? When will the Modern Coptic Family Counseling Bible (and its Appendix  of Coptic Counseling Plans and Rates) be published?

        Then Peter said to Him, “Lord do You speak this parable only to us, or to all people?” And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make steward over his household, to give give them their portion of food in due season? Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. ... .”  Luke 12:41-44. Coptic daily Gospel reading for June 30, 2014,

  • More thoughts for this day for childless divorced Coptic fathers & the Coptic Synod of Bishops

        Today the traditional, old, patriarchal Orthodox Coptic Church’s Synaxarium commorates the Orthodox Saints: Coptic Pope Cyril I, and Roman Pope Celestine (I believe to be the last of the great, true believing, and practicing Orthodox Popes of the Church of Rome). On the feasts of the great Orthodox universal patriarchs, the traditional, old, patriarchal Orthodox Coptic Church teaches the true Scriptural Orthodox gender and family Commandments of God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit and the Apostles with the solid foundation for patriarchal Christian marriage and family life - the Catholic Epistle from St. Peter’s First Epistle to the new, struggling Christians, from 1 Peter 2:18-3:7; that is still published (but not preached and explained) on the modern, Freudian Coptic Church website:, as follows:

    Catholic Epistle

    A Reading from the 1 Epistle of St. Peter. May his blessing be upon us. Amen
    1 Peter 2:18-3:7
    Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh. For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully. For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God. For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: "Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth"; who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness, by whose stripes you were healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear. Do not let your adornment be merely outward - arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel - rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God. For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands, as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror. Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered.
    Do not love the world or the things in the world. The world passes away, and its desires; but he who does the will of God abides forever. Amen.

        The traditional, old, patriarchal Orthodox Coptic Church’s Synaxarium, remembering SS. Cyril and Celestine, is still published on this  “modern” Coptic website, as follows:


    The Third Day of the Blessed Coptic Month of Epep, may God make it always received, year after year, with reassurance and tranquility, while our sins are forgiven by the tender mercies of our God my fathers and brothers, Amen.
    Departure of Pope Cyril I, The Pillar of Faith (412- 444) the 24th Patriarch of Alexandria and the See of Saint Mark
    On this day, of the year 160 A.D. (June 27th, 444 A.M.), the great father, the pillar of faith and the lamp of the Orthodox church, St. Kyrillos (Cyril) the First, the Alexandrian Pope, and the twenty-fourth Patriarch of the See of St. Mark, departed. This saint was the son of the sister of Pope Theophilus (23rd patriarch). He was raised by his uncle at the school of Alexandria where he was educated in its Theological and Philosophical subjects needed to defend Christianity and the Orthodox faith. After he learned a great deal of these subjects, his uncle sent him to the monastery of St. Macarius in the wilderness. There, he became a disciple to a righteous old monk called Sarabamon. He taught him the church books, and the sayings of the pure fathers. He trained his mind and body by practicing the works of righteousness and virtues for a period of time. After he spent in the wilderness five years, Pope Theophilus sent him to Abba Sarapion, the honorable bishop, so he increased in wisdom and knowledge. Shortly after, the bishop returned him to Alexandria. His uncle was rejoiced, ordained him a deacon, appointed him a preacher in the cathedral and made him his scribe. Whenever Kyrillos gave a sermon, he captured the hearts of his listeners with his eloquence, fluency, and his strong influence. Since that time, he became well known for his vast knowledge, his great righteousness, and his deep influence in his teaching. When his uncle Pope Theophilus departed in the 18th of Babah 128 A.M. (October 15th, 412 A.M.), they enthroned this father in his place on the 20th of Babah, 128 A.M. (Oct. 17th, 412 A.D.). The church was illumined with his knowledge, and he gave special attention to resisting paganism and defending the Christian faith. He started to refute the falsity of Emperor Julian the Infidel in his ten essays that had been written after his apostasy. These were the favorite readings of the pagan young people of Alexandria and their pride, for they believed that it destroyed the principles of the Christian faith. Pope Kyrillos refuted them in terms that were clear, strong and convincing. He set out to rebut the heretics until he was able to close their churches and seize their contents. He ordered the expulsion of the Jews from Alexandria which led to a disturbance and confrontation between the Jews and the Christians. This led to the widening of the contention between the governor and this great saint. Because of his strong devotion to the Christian ethics and teachings, he found himself compelled to ask for reconciliation with the governor. However, the governor refused to accept the reconciliation, and the conflict between them continued for a period of time.

    When the heresy of Nestorius, Patriarch of Constantinople, emerged, a Universal Council convened for him. He denied that the Virgin was the mother of God (Theotokos). Two hundred bishops assembled in the city of Ephesus during the reign of Emperor Theodosius II, known by Theodosius the Less. St. Cyril (Kyrillos), Pope of Alexandria, presided over this council. He debated Nestorius, explained to him his heretic opinion, and threatened him with excommunication and exile from his Chair, if he did not change his erroneous opinion. St. Kyrillos composed twelve discourses wherein he explained the true faith, refuting the error of Nestorius. Anba John, Patriarch of Antioch, and some of the bishops of the East disagreed with him, taking Nestorius' side. Nevertheless, shortly after, they came back and agreed with Kyrillos who was victorious over the enemies of the church. He wrote many discourses and valuable epistles, confirming in them, that God the Word is One Nature, One Will, and One Person incarnated. He anathematized anyone who separated Christ or differed from this true faith. The Emperor exiled Nestorius in the year 435 A.D. to the land of Egypt, and remained in the city of Akhmim until his death in the year 440 A.D. From the monumental works of Pope Kyrillos was the commentary of the Holy Books. When he finished his strife, he fell sick for a short time and departed in peace. He remained on the Alexandrian Chair for thirty-one years, eight months, and ten days.
    May his prayers be with us. Amen.

  • Completion of Coptic Synaxarium for Feast of SS Cyril I and Celestine, from obove post:

    Departure of Pope Celestine the Patriarch of Rome
    On this day also, the great Pope Celestine, bishop of the city of Rome, departed (July 27th, 432 A.D.). This saint was the disciple of St. Boniface, bishop of Rome. At the time of his death, he commended that father Celestine would succeed him, and then he cautioned him saying, 'Take heed O my son for there would be ravening wolves in the city of Rome.' This father was a righteous and well learned monk. When Pope Boniface departed on September 4th, 422 A.D., they ordained Celestine in his place on September 10th, 422 A.D., during the reign of Emperor Honorius. This Emperor died in the city of Raffeen in France in the year 423 A.D. One of the Emperors (Julian the Infidel) wanted to appoint Nestorius a patriarch for Rome and expel Celestine the saintly Pope. The people rose up and expelled Nestorius which made Emperor Julian enraged against him. This Saint fled to one of the monasteries nearby Pentapolis (Five cities) and dwelt there. God wrought many signs and miracles by his hands. Then, the angel Raphael appeared to him in a dream saying: 'Rise up and go to the city of Antioch to its patriarch St. Dimitrius, and abide with him for the Emperor had decided in his heart to kill you upon his return from the war.' When he woke up, he went forth from that monastery along with two brothers and came to the city of Antioch. He found its Patriarch ill, told him what had happened to him, and stayed in one of the monasteries of Antioch. Sts. Ignatius and Boniface along with a third venerable person appeared to the Emperor in a dream and said to him, 'Why have you left the city of the saints without a bishop. Behold, God will remove your soul from you, and you shall die by the hands of your enemies.' The Emperor asked, 'What shall I do?' They replied, 'Do you believe in the Son of God?' He answered saying, 'I do believe.' They said to him, 'Send and bring our son bishop Celestine with honor, and restore him to his throne.' When the Emperor awoke from his dream, he wrote to the patriarch of Antioch, Demetrius, asking him to inform his envoys of the whereabouts of Celestine, and return him to his See. They found him and returned him to his Chair with great honor, and the people received him with joy and happiness. The peace and the affairs of the church were established by his presence. When Nestorius blasphemed and the Council assembled for him, Celestine was unable to attend the Council, because of his illness, so he sent two priests with a letter excommunicating Nestorius in it. The Emperor believed in what Nestorius said, nevertheless he yielded to the decisions of the Council and exiled Nestorius to Egypt. When the Lord willed for Celestine to depart from this world, St. Boniface, his predecessor, and St. Athanasius, the Apostolic, appeared to him and told him, 'Affirm your people in the faith, for Christ is calling you.' When he woke up he commanded his people saying, 'Take heed to yourselves, for behold ravening wolves shall come into this city.' Having said this he added, 'I am leaving, for the saints are calling for me.' When he said that, he departed in peace.
    May his prayers be with us, and Glory be to God forever. Amen.

  • Ok. I think it's time close this thread down. 
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