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So I can follow your argument, can you please elaborate as to what is an effective symbol? Is there an effective symbol and an ineffective symbol? Please give some scriptural references.
An advice: When you quote one of the Fathers of the Church, you need to read what they wrote in context. Please, provide a reference to what St. Basil said so I can read the whole topic and in context, instead of one phrase. So, please provide a reference to the quote you provided, then I will address it.
I was not trying to make a point. Rather I was trying to educate you.
Can you please show me where in the above statement does Pope Shenouda say that we die in baptism symbolically?
No. I do not want you to explain what I said. My contention is with the words you used "It is an effective symbol of death". Our baptism is not a symbol at all but an effective death and resurrection with Christ.
Post the reference, the link
You are taking words out of context.
Not to belittle the time and effort people have expended on debating whether the Right Thief is a saint, but does it at all matter?
Dear Patrological Theology,Of course it does.The Church Tradition is not up for people to change. For example, deacons cannot just come up with a new hidanni for Demas the thief, or change the existing hymnal words to saint. A priest cannot just starting mentioning his name in the congregation of saints.This is why it is very crucial to preserve what the Church teaches because it is not a matter of personal opinion.Thanks.