They are sooooooo confusing... ???
Now the questions I'd like and answers(with more q's or comments)
1- Do they mean anything
2- Is God sending you a sign and
a- how do you know if he is
3- If you sin in a dream, is that an actual sin, cuz you're not actually controlling what you're doing, well sorta, but u kniw what i mean,,,,
4- :-\ What is the point of Dreaming
TRANSLATION OF #4: Why does God continually amke ud Dream, like Why do we dream....
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But generally speaking, dreams are just a mixture of thoughts from ur subconsciense, with which ur brains try to process everything u've been through all day long, caus a lot of thoughts and images that u've seen throughout the day are stored in that subconsciense.
If u sin in a dream, thats not an actual sin, but for example if u dream of killing someone u know, there's probably something behind that, like enmity between u and the specific person, or for example a youth who has an unclean dream, it could be due to lusts in his hart...so in most of the times dreams signify whats going on in ur mind and hart...
there a great book called "spiritual warfare" by our pope that explain that what ever u read, look at listen to, externally will effect u internally, if ur external senses are pure than ur internal will be...
in other words, if u surround urself with holy stuff, theres no way ull have a sinful dream, cause dreams sorta reflect our thoughts in a wierd day, like if ur thinkin about somethin b4 u go to sleep u sometimes dream of it...
the devil attacks us from the outside by external temptaitions which can lead to us falling in sin by our dreams, but he cant get into our minds and read/control our thoughts.
as to know whether its from God or not, im sure if it was ull know without a doubt it was, but if ur not sure then it wasnt from God..
dreams are just something mechanical that we go through in this world, God can use them as a medium to send us visions, and the devil can attacks us by surrounding us by temptation leading ur dreams to be sinful, but its a hardship we have to learn how to control...
the saints would dream of church, other saints storys, beautiful stuff like that...
THEY OVERCAME THE WORLD, WHICH WAT WE HAV TO DO, CAUSE WE ARE NOT OF THIS WORLD
sinful dream is a sin,
it doesnt always have to be a sin though, it could be a weird mixture of things u've seen (maybe even accidently), it could also be an attack by the devil as appears in a story of one of the desert fathers:
he was asked by a young monk if he had sinned, because he had a dream in which he was with a woman. The elderly monk replied: suppose u walk by a home and the smell of meat reaches u, have u sinned? No, u just smelled it, u didnt eat it. So, the thing is when u wake up, not to give in into the desire or lust.
However, i think in normal cases dreams signify whats going on in our harts and minds as i stated before, so i guess it could be seen in a way as a sin.
wit the smellin meat, it depends if u smell it and crave for it or if u smell it by chance and overcome it...
In the Bible, thanks to SisterInChrist who helped me find the verse, it says, "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Mathew 5:28. So it is clear that lustful thoughts are bad, but if a lustful thought comes to you, realizing it is bad, you discard it. And if you discard it, then it is not in your heart or mind, so how then can you dream of it?
dreams are a reflection of wht we see, hear and do...
dreams are just something mechanical that we go through in this world, God can use them as a medium to send us visions, and the devil can attacks us by surrounding us by temptation leading ur dreams to be sinful, but its a hardship we have to learn how to control.
i guess theres no point to dreaming its just something the body does..
what i believe is GOd can send u messages through your dreams, for example wen my Grandma passed away, my mum took it very hard, she wouldnt stop mourning, she had a dream one nite, that her mum (my grandma) was alive and they were together, and my grandma was white and glowing and healthy, then apparently they were doin something and a hot coal fell on my mums foot in the dream, and she wanted to cry but her sister, my anty was there as well, and she said to her, "dont cry you know mum wont be able to rest if you do, mish hat testahmel"
my mum told her that it hurts and she has to cry, but my anty told her "shes very happy now now and if u cry, ull take away her joy."
that was sorta wat hapned its hard to explain in english, but that had a message, we believe that if we mourn for the ppl who have left this world too much then they wont be at rest sorta, because there at a holy place, with god, and they are in his bossom, and they see us mourning.... i can explain it, but hat wat our priest told us...
any way it was very obvious to her that it was a message. so if GOd contacts u, theres noway u wont know it not Him..
its up to us if we sin or not, the devil attacks us from the outside by external temptaitions which can lead to us falling in sin by our dreams, but he cant get into our minds and read/control our thoughts.
if we are holy so then will our thoughts and our dreams...etc
im sorry i know i probably made it more complicated then my last 2 post...
sorry
i hav had a whole sunday school lesson about it and i know that u never beleive anything u c....
a devil can appear as any saint and even can appear as Jesus or any angel (it has been done b4, but in the old tyms, esp. to saints)
plz forgiv mee
GBU ;)
p.s mmatt....im on ya side bro ;)
i think devils can appear to u in the physical world, as spiritual things, or wateva, but i dont think there permitted to enter into ur mind, all the saint stories i know, the devil appeared in reality not in a dream... but plz, i beg u correct me because i dont want to be goin around sayin the wrong stuff..
thats my understanding of it,
but wat would i know...
never ever beleive wat u see EVER :P there is a miracle proving this but i forgot it...i should find out and post it L8er....u gotta beleive me :P
i hav had a whole sunday school lesson about it and i know that u never beleive anything u c....
a devil can appear as any saint and even can appear as Jesus or any angel (it has been done b4, but in the old tyms, esp. to saints)
there was a saint to whom an angel appeared sometime, then he said; why do u appear to me, i'm not worthy to see an angel from God, then the angel departed (it was the devil obviously), so the devil may appear to someone (in a dream) to lead them to vain glory and selfrighteousness. So u can only know this by humblesness, as appears in the story.
2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
he just appeared to him.
ps if u think thats wierd, uve neva seen wat goes on in my head ??? ??? ???
lol ;D
;) ;)
sleepy
I agree with you, sure, it is hard to get these thoughts out of your mind, it's not an easy thing. But that doesn't mean we have to give up. The next time a bad thought comes up, pop in one of your favorite hymns and play it loud, so your concentration moves to the hymn. Sing along with it, because if you're listening to it, your mind might wander.
About the friend thing, I don't remember who said this, but I think it was sleepy saying that her abouna told her to be sly about things. If this person is really close to you, then maybe you can joke around with them, and say something, "Watch the language, my ears!" And if they don't get it after the first few times, then just saying something like, "No seriousely, stop." If that doesn't work, at least you tried.
And in the above post, sleepy was saying that you can usually find the element of thought of what you were thinking in your dreams. So, another idea, try sleeping to one of the hymns. I do that with hymns I don't know, so it's a two in one, I'm thinking about the hymn, and I learn it.
sleepymusician
sleepy
sleepy
Great post Hos irof, I agree with you. About the distinguishing, if it is a dream from God, I think you would be able to realize it. Most likely, the dream will pertain to you, it may be something you've asked God in your prayers, or maybe it's something that you've been wondering about. But I see what you'r saying Hos irof, the devil may trick us into thinking that this dream is from God when it really isn't.
I am not sure if it is as simple as you state, LordHaveMercy. I am very interested in hearing much more about ths thread. It is not easy to figure out whether a dream is from God or if its from the devil. I feel that before one believes in their dreams they should speak to their father of confession and through the power of the Holy Spirit be guided on a rightous path and know the truth about it. This issue troubles me also because of the fact that the devil can get involved in it and get you to believe something that is not true and therefore allow you to sacrifice very very important things. Very scary and very important to know about.
Please pray for me always,
Believer in God
Please pray for me always,
Believer in God
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Several brothers went to Abba Antonios to relate to him certain visions which they beheld and to ascertain from him whether the visions were true or of demonic origin. They had along with them a small donkey which died on the way. Just as they reached Abba Antonios, he, expecting them, said: “How did the little donkey die on the road?”
“How did you know this, Abba?” they said to him.
“The demons revealed it to me.”
And they answered him: “It is for this reason that we came to see you, for fear of being deceived, since we see visions and many times they come true.”
Thus, with the foregoing example of the donkey, the elder made it known to them that their visions came forth from the demons.
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I know that the devil can do this and that is what concerns me. I was wondering if there was any other way to know whether a vision was from the devil or from God. There were other times where the devil actually convinced monks to do evil things like commit suicide or change and convert to another religion by deceit. This is what concerns me so much.
Please pray for me always,
Believer in God
Please pray for me always,
Believer in God