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that St. John and St. James are her sons from a marriage after the Lord's birth
Is this not the carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are not His sisters here with us?" And they were offended at Him. Mark 6: 3
I think we believe that according to tradition, Joseph was married to a woman before St. Mary and had some children, which are called "the brothers & sisters of Jesus" as mentioned above, then later his wife died
wat???????? do u mean that joseph was married before St. Mary? well no he wasnt, and anyway he didnt marry St Mary, he was just taking care of her ;)
The blessed Joseph was married before he was betrothed to the All holy Theotokos. He had sons and daughters from this marriage (James, Jude, etc) which are called the Lord's "brothers" in the Gospel.
His wife passed away and it was after this, when he was about 80 years old that the High Priest chose him to be St Maria's protector.
A very good book (it is EO - but that should't be a problem) is The Live of the Virgin Mary, the Theotokos by Holy Apostles Convent - it has all the info you could ever need, all taken from the Scriptures and the Holy Tradition of the Church.
St Maria's early life is described in the Protoevangelion of James, which is part of the Church's Holy Tradition, but I'm not sure if the details of Joseph's marriage and children are taken from there.
Link to that book
Should be available on Amazon and other places as well.
Read the Coptic Synaxarium entry on St Joseph; it states that he was a widower who was previously married before St. Mary and that he had children from that previous marriage. It is these previous children i.e. Christ's "step-brothers" who were called his "brothers" in the NT. This is consonant with the teachings of the Fathers of the Orient/East.
A good article on this issue can be read at the following link:
eh ya 3am.... meen dolah ely yehdoh, entah shayefna benshed fee sha3renah wala eh?? ;D ;D
w'ba3dein meen dah ely ghalat? deh Iqbal el administrator edetna el ma3loomat ely fee emanah el qibty el orthodoxy. ya3ny fe3lan abouna youssef kan armal(widower). ezay ya3ny kan celibate, zay mantah bet2ol ya ostaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaz?? :) ;D
bos, a7san 7aga, roo7 lel site ely Iqbal provided ya akh mina, wentah ta3raf kol 7aga benafsak ya 3am. 7elwo el kalam?? ;D
Did either of you two read my response? I did not merely claim that Christ's brothers were his step-brothers, children from St Joseph's previous marriage to another wife which ended at the death of this very wife (i.e. he was a widower when he met St Mary), but I referred you to the evidence: (1) Coptic Synaxarium entry on St Joseph, (2) the consensus of the early Oriental Church Fathers. I even referred you to an article on a Coptic website that comprehensively discussed this issue, and that concluded upon the step-brother theory as the most Biblically consistent, and the most consistent with the Tradition of the Church.
I do not understand the inclination for people on this website to jump to conclusions without even considering responses already given, or even ignoring those responses.
I apologize. I'm didn't mean to jump into conclusions, and you're right, I didn't take the time to look into your response. Please pray for me.
According to the Coptic Synaxarium entry on St Joseph:
"All the days of his life were one hundred and eleven years; forty years before his marriage, fifty-two years married, and nineteen years a widow."
And according to the Fathers, James etc. were the offspring of Joseph from a previous marriage and hence Christ's step-brothers. As noted in Fr. Tadros Malaty's book "St Mary in the Orthodox Concept"
"The writer of the apocryphal work “Protoevangelium of James”, in defending the virginity of St. Mary, referred to “the brothers of Jesus” as sons of St. Joseph from a previous marriage. Some Coptic, Syrian and Greek documents followed the same idea.
Even some great Fathers did the same, such as Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Hegesippus, Eusebius of Caesarea, Hilary of Potiers, Gregory of Nyssa, Cyril of Alexandria, Ambrose, and Epiphanius of Salamis in Cyprus who advocated this idea warmly so that it was attributed to him."
How many years was he a widow before Jesus was born, or before he was betrothed to Saint Mary?
Salome (the mother of the Apostles James and John the Theologian)
and a third daughter whose name is unknown (suggestions include Martha, Lydia, Thamar or Assia).
He was 80 years old when he was betrothed to the Virgin, his wife having reposed about a year earlier.
The History of Joseph, a 4th century document describes st Joseph's last years. He became very old, but he did not labout under any bodily weakness, his sight had not failed and none of his teeth were missing. According to St Epiphanios of Cyprus (315-403) he lived to be 110 years old. He reposed just before Christ entered His public ministry - i..e when the Lord was in His late twenties.
All this information can be found in more detail in The Life of the Virgin Mary the Theotokos by Holy Apostles Convent, which i mentioned already in another post in this thread.
Hope this helps