Back to the foundations levels in heaven and thoughts on intercession of saints

edited December 2017 in Faith Issues
There may be levels in heaven. The reward of those not accepting deliverance to obtain a better resurrection in Hebrews below may be to be allowed to pray for anyone that concerns them whose sins do not allow them not to be prayed for. But this may not be true since people would rely on other prayer but could be wrong for everyone is always responsible for themselves and not fair to those who person never met. But the reward may be righteous to be kept just for themselves

But this means not random people but let us suppose them also since we practice it

I’m not sure because I do believe you can’t get to heaven on someone else merit
even st Mary we pray her intercession as a sure help against Satan but I wonder how that is just
Jesus Himself ever lives to make intercession for us therefore we can get to heaven just through Him if we are righteous but we should be humble to ask their intercession incase we can not
I guess though He may make exception for us as Job friends were forgiven by Job prayer as an honor to Job and some of those who sinned in Moses time were forgiven for his sake for they commit sin not leading to death meaning sin that intercession can not atone for
So what about those who don’t ask for the saint intercession is it fair they don’t receive ?
Therefore I wish to say we can not get to heaven based on another merit also the sin not leading to death may be sin we are struggling hard to overcome which we haven’t been able to but their prayers only justify us if through their prayers we rise from the fall

But we say in the liturgy as said by st Basil may their intercession be with us all so even those who don’t reject it willingly are maybe cared for and maybe they pray that we all learn about it

Back to levels in heaven in Hebrews it is also mentioned lest we be like Esau who sought to inherit the blessing but it is too late. It seems it may not be too late for any sinner now to escape that. Therefore I believe there may be 2 repentance one to be worthy of heaven and one to be a saint
everyone who is a saint may have same reward and maybe their reward is to help others
Or we must all be saints through their prayers
There is no sadness in heaven
Though there are rewards the one with less reward is not like Esau who lost blessing

I believe therefore there are levels in heaven

Perhaps I am trying to please people too much and would lead to carelessness either teaching this way not preparing them for salvation or rewards. I think saints want a better resurrection to help others but I don’t know

The other thing I want to say we must not trust anyone blindly even church fathers if intercession of saints is wrong then the church father rightly appears a wolf in sheep clothing to some Christians even if unwillingly and especially if that means their prayers don’t have to make us righteous. We believe others prayers now can help us now so we believe in gaining blessing of merit of others so why not the saints who have passed ?
The bereans were commended for not trusting blindly but searching scriptures diligently if what Paul taught is true

I have to follow reading on intercession of saints as it will be a great blessing I haven’t been healthy or disciplined to read some books I know. It would help if others would teach the reason for this doctrine more often and more deeply

Hebrews 11:35-38 (NKJV)
35 Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection. 36 Still others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yes, and of chains and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, were tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented—38 of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth.


  • edited December 2017

    may be to be allowed to pray for anyone that concerns them whose sins do not allow them not to be prayed for

    I meant do allow them to be prayed for
  • Not to get to heaven on someone's merit but their commend through prayer.
    If a saint prayed for me then he commends me before the Lord that the Lord sees worthiness upon what is righteous and good. In other words the Lord will help upon the saints recommendation through the saints prayers
  • Thanks for your reply Joshuaa but the way I see it God does not need a counselor to say whether I am good or not. He sees. But I guess you are right as I may see you are agreeing with me in a different way that God spares them for the saints sake if one commits sin not leading to death but I guess you may be saying more the reason it is accepted is because they are righteous if the saint pity them according to righteousness sake.

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