Who is Christ Now ?

Hello all,

I am a fellow OO in the Ethiopian Orthdox Church. I live in US and currently there is a big divide among-est many in the Ethiopian orthodox faith. I am here to see the Coptic Perspective of the issue. 

Is calling Jesus my intercessor  a blasphemy  or something outside of the Orthodox lines ? Can one be excommunicated for saying/believing/teaching that ? Does Jesus intercede for us NOW ? I am a bit confused because I never knew this is a dividing line between Orthodox and protestants. I thought that this is a general christian denomination belief including OO.

Thank you all, 


Comments

  • KMariam, I love ethiopian food! Welcome.

    The same divide exists in the Coptic Orthodox Church. Where are you? Many people are questioning because Orthodoxy is not a major form of Christianity in the west. In my experience, sharing what the Orthodox Church believes with westerners is often shocking to them. They cannot believe how literal we take the bible and basically everything in addition to the bible. Generally, protestants don't pray to saints for intercession, in fact it would surprise them that we do.
  • It's probably semantics KMariam. We prefer to say Christ is the mediator between God and man, because Christ is both, and that's the means of salvation. However, if you use the word "intercession", it would be synonymous with "mediator", but not the same as the "intercessions of the saints", who are righteous people who pray for us.

    Fr. Peter Farrington has a good video online about this:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5fNKXrBOr0M
  • Voltaire, MinaSoliman,

    Thank you all brothers. How do I get a notification so I know when someone responded? I am just seeing your reply.

    I will listen Fr. peter video. I do understand the difference regarding intercession of Saints that Protestants do not accept and we do. I
  • Hi KMariam,


    Please remember that the Orthodox Church is not a "denomination" or part of *the* Church, along with the Protestant denominations, etc.  The Orthodox Church is *the* Church.  The Protestant denominations are not part of the Church in any way, shape, or form.

    Also, as others have explained, Our Lord Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.  As Mina said, He healed the divide between God and man, but He is not an "intercessor" in the same way that a saint is.  We ask the saints "intercede on our behalf" in the Hymns of the Intercessions (Hiten Ni-Epresvia).  This is not the same as Christ's "intercession" with the Father.  Here is an article on that from the LA Diocese: http://lacopts.org/story/the-concept-of-intercession/

    Please do not poison yourself by consuming Protestant teachings or watching Protestant preachers on this or any subject.  God be with you.

  • Jesus is not necessarily our intercessor in the same way the martyrs or church fathers or St. Mary are- they intercede to Jesus! All the above comments are saying the same thing, and in more detail.
    Now as for the Protestant/Orthodox line, we consider them as more than flawed in their teachings- we say they are not a church. Take, for example, the EO church. We still consider them a church, even though we are out of communion with them over "theological" disputes (it's really a political and linguistic issue). The same can be said for the Roman Catholic church, although they're a bit farther off. The Protestants, however, have denied many things that are essential to the church, namely the hierarchy of priesthood. They believe that there is no such thing as a pope or bishop or priest or deacon, only a member of the "church." But we know for a fact that Jesus instituted the bishopric (I think that's the right word), the priesthood, and the service of the deacons! The Bible explicitly tells us about the first 7 deacons in the Acts- Nicholas, Timon, Nicanor, Prochorus, Philip, and St. Stephen the 1st Martyr.
    There are a ton of other reasons why we say these people are not a church, but one of the most simple (and general) explanation is that one.
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