Jesus commands slaying?

edited December 1969 in Faith Issues
The bold part.... WHAT?

Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. 12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’
15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’
20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’
24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’”

Comments

  • Are you reading from Luke 19?
  • yes... sorry forgot the reference.
  • It is a parable. If I tell you a story to teach a lesson to you, and that story has a child in it who is killed, does that mean I want to kill children?
  • no this part is after Jesus tell the parable.
  • what i mean is after jesus says the parable the bible says 6 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’” so now Jesus is being quoted saying this, which is not part of the parable anymore...
  • The last sentence is still part of the parable.
  • Coptic Boy,

    You might read that verse and think it is directed to Christians, to go and kill His enemies, but that is most definitely not what He means. The people who do not want God to reign over them have rejected God completely in their lives. The punishment for that is Hell. On the day of Judgment, He will send his enemies to Hell. "And slay them before me", In other words "And send them to Hell". He is talking to His angels, not to us on Earth.
  • The same story is in Matthew and in it the verse corresponding is: "And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 25:28)

    So this is what I think this phrase means. I could be wrong though, as I couldn't find Patristics directly about this.
  • ohhhh... so it means in hell? well I'm asking this because this is the only verse in the bible that Muslims cling on to with their lives to say Christianity is violent. Its good to know the right interpretation.

    Thank you!
  • I couldn't find any patristic writing on this particular verse, either, but most of the Bible commentaries I have read on it say that the master in the parable is an allegory for Christ, and with that understanding they say that verse 27 recalls the master who was hated in the story (as Christ was hated by the world), and warns those who refuse to follow the true master Christ what their punishment will be when He returns -- just like how the master in the story renders his judgment on the servants upon his return. He rewards those who have used the gifts he gave them by blessing them even more, and from those who did not use the gifts he takes away everything from them. Basically, it is a warning to follow the true master Jesus Christ, not a call to violence! This seems like a reasonable interpretation to me.
  • [quote author=dzheremi link=topic=10520.msg127873#msg127873 date=1295752918]
    I couldn't find any patristic writing on this particular verse, either, but most of the Bible commentaries I have read on it say that the master in the parable is an allegory for Christ, and with that understanding they say that verse 27 recalls the master who was hated in the story (as Christ was hated by the world), and warns those who refuse to follow the true master Christ what their punishment will be when He returns -- just like how the master in the story renders his judgment on the servants upon his return. He rewards those who have used the gifts he gave them by blessing them even more, and from those who did not use the gifts he takes away everything from them. Basically, it is a warning to follow the true master Jesus Christ, not a call to violence! This seems like a reasonable interpretation to me.


    yeah seems reasonable enough :) thank you.
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