https://tasbeha.org/community/categories/coptic-orthodox-church/p29/feed.rss Fri, 19 Jun 2026 11:57:44 +0000 Coptic Orthodox Church - Tasbeha.org Community en-CA https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12644/why-do-we-consider-saints-like-st-george-and-st-marcurius-abou-sefein Mon, 05 Dec 2011 12:52:33 +0000 Tenacpi esna onkh 12644@/community/discussions Why are there Saints while the commandments is broken, I know they had no choice but they could abondon it like St. Mina. Yea they were great in martyrdom, but they can be called the same way "3alama Origanus was called", who wasn't called a Saint because of the sin he did. ]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12629/islamic-history-of-the-coptic-orthodox-church Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:19:06 +0000 Zoxsasi 12629@/community/discussions
Does anyone here have any links (from good / trustworthy / authentic resources) that reveal what it was like being a Coptic Christian under Islamic rule?

Copts had to be Jizya taxes, what % of tax was this? How much was this?

What penalties were imposed on non muslims in Egypt?

Anything dating around the middle of the 6th century would be ideal.

Thanks]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12636/orthodox-adoption-in-the-lands-of-immigration Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:06:29 +0000 CopticSoldier 12636@/community/discussions
We recently had a visit to our parish from an Antiochian Orthodox priest who is himself a convert from Anglicanism.  He told us about a small mission parish which he is running from a local university and is growing steadily.

One of the things he mentioned is that most of the liturgical traditions which Orthodox Churches have haven't been well adopted by westerners because they're too hard to chant for native speakers of the English tongue.  In his parish they have evolved their own tradition which is based more on Russian style chant which has been very successful.

In Fiji one of our missionary fathers noted that the locals have started to acclimatise the liturgy to their environment by chanting in a way which sounds more harmonically like it is of pacific rather than coptic origin.

One of the fathers in my Church is an Anglican convert and he can only chant in a traditional English sort of way, I wanted to record him praying the agpeya and title it as something like 'the coptic prayer of the hours according to the eastern rite'. :)

Another convert who is also a senior deacon is given the most important roles in our liturgy but struggles with the pronunciation and simply cannot chant our hymns.at.all.

Given that it is so challenging for westerners, I want an indication of how many of us would be willing to make the big sacrifice of giving away our musical tradition for one which is better suited to people of western origin?

One of our challenges to bringing Orthodoxy to our western brothers is that it doesn't fit these moulds and our churches are full of Egyptians who probably don't want their standing traditions suddenly transformed into a westernised version of themselves/

Knowing that there won't be an overnight change, how can we on a church by church level encourage participation in our liturgy?

Please pray for me,

LiD]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12604/muslims-praying-in-coptic-churches Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:17:08 +0000 Zoxsasi 12604@/community/discussions
The Church in Tahrir Sq is obviously being used to help the demonstrators as a makeshift hospital. However, there have been photos going around the internet of Muslim women praying there in front of the Altar.

(I guess they were standing in front, praying (facing away from the Altar) because its the only place that has a carpet.

Is this disrespectful? How does the Coptic Church view this action?

But my main question is this:

Are we being tolerant, because we have no other choice??

I mean, my priest won't allow catholic songs in the Church, so I'm a bit surprised to see that priests are allowing muslim prayers there.

Secondly, is this reciprocal ?? I mean - would muslims be happy if a mosque was being used as a makeshift hospital and Christians used it also to pray the vespers there?? Would they be OK with that??

]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12627/date-of-christmas-this-year Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:14:02 +0000 servant33 12627@/community/discussions https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12626/when-does-kiahk-praises-start Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:08:12 +0000 Godislove_ 12626@/community/discussions
When does the Kiahk praises start or "saba7a we arba7" I know it's soon but I cannot wait for that time of the year  :)]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12623/psalmus-110 Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:36:45 +0000 henrik.hank 12623@/community/discussions could you give me any links to Coptic Christians chanting "Confitebor tibi Domine", Psalmus 110? and when do you people usually sing this holy chant? do you call it Psalmus 110 or Psalmus 111?]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12600/jesus-fasting-for-us Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:42:08 +0000 copticuser20 12600@/community/discussions
We fast to weaken our bodies in order to get closer to God.

Why did Jesus fast or need to fast for us? He is God; why did he need to get closer to himself? He can still do whatever he wants without fasting because He is God right?]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12606/ny-times-report-on-coptic-christians Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:52:40 +0000 Zoxsasi 12606@/community/discussions
I just came across this. Its quite recent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/24/opinion/the-copts-and-the-arab-spring.html

Its a sad fact that Coptic Christians were indeed immigrating to Canada/America/Europe since Sadat in droves.

What's sadder is that we left Egypt to get out of an Islamic Egypt, and yet at times, I feel I'm still under Sharia law right in the middle of Europe. I pass women with Burkas every day despite it being illegal. I eat halal meat on a regular basis because that's all that's on for sale at many times.

I really hope Western Europe and the US learn from the story of the Coptic Church. If we are treated as 2nd class citizens in our own country and we are the indigenous people of Egypt, what will the attitude of muslims be towards other host countries? ]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12575/the-oud-with-hymns Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:45:45 +0000 andrew8345 12575@/community/discussions
I bring up the "Oud" because I am noticing that it is becoming more fashionable along hymns (especially in Egypt), but you can throw in the guitar, piano, drums, etc. in the discussion as well. . . Is it OK to use these instruments while praying alhan?

Thanks in advance.]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12605/video-s-for-kids-in-sundayschool Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:01:08 +0000 marmar357 12605@/community/discussions
I wondered if anyone know where I can find nice, funny, short videoclips for children (age 7, 8 ) in the sundayschool.
Like clips where they learn a short lesson in it, like: how to love each other, how to do your best at school, but also Bible clips, (about Joseph e.g., etc etc).

A few points:

- I prefer clips which I can download and put at my lapotop (and I prefer clips which can be opened with Windows Mediaplayer) (Because there is no internet in the classroom)
- And if they are in arabic it would be perfect. (Cause they are dutch children and they don't understand english)
-But also if you find nice videoclips in english, you are welcome to show them!

Thanks in advance,

GBU]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12435/a-coptic-shirt Thu, 06 Oct 2011 17:51:16 +0000 mark.naguib7 12435@/community/discussions
God bless]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12591/glorification-of-st-mary Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:25:58 +0000 servant33 12591@/community/discussions
Does anyone have any good resources or comments to make about why we glorify Saint Mary so much?]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12555/cut-off-the-1-3b-in-aid-annually-to-egypt-unless-they-bring-to-justice-the-kil Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:41:33 +0000 Ibrahim Ayad 12555@/community/discussions
I wanted to let you know about a new petition I created on We the People, a 
new feature on WhiteHouse.gov, and ask for your support. Will you add your 
name to mine?  If this petition gets 25,000 signatures by December 10, 2011, 
the White House will review it and respond!

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You can view and sign the petition here:

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Here's some more information about this petition:

Cut off the $1.3B in aid annually to Egypt, unless they bring to justice the 
killers of the massacre
The Holy Synod of the Coptic Orthodox Church under the leadership of Pope 
Shenouda III met with seventy Bishops, on Monday October 10, 2011 in the 
Papal residence, Cairo, Egypt to discuss the...]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12586/lord-have-mercy Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:07:39 +0000 servant33 12586@/community/discussions https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12587/engagment-and-wedding-ring-tradition-in-coptic-church Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:44:59 +0000 sakmak 12587@/community/discussions
i was just wondering if someone can explain the tradition in our church concerning engagement rings, wedding rings, the "dibel", the bands, what happens after the wedding with the rings, which hand the ring goes on during the engagement vs wedding, and anything else concerning the rings in our church and how it differs from western customs, and if it's different in the coptic churches in America vs the coptic churches in egypt, and if american culture has influenced the wedding traditions in american coptic church.

thanks]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/9995/pope-shenouda-iii-39th-anniversary-of-his-papal-enthronement Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:12:39 +0000 ilovesaintmark 9995@/community/discussions
Happy Anniversary my beloved Father.  You mean so much to me.

I am a fortunate person to live in the blessings that you have transferred to me from the Heavenly Father.  A good father protects his family, teaches his family, cares for his family, and nurtures the offspring.  You are a good father.

I have been blessed to look into your eyes and to see the Presence of the Chosen of the Holy Spirit.  I have heard your words and I have learned so much.  In your presence I can retreat to being a child and take full acceptance of every word as being truthful and loving for my regard.  You are a good father.

Your jokes and wittiness are unparalleled as being joyful making and being inspirational in the same regard.  You tickle us with happy words and hope in the good things of life, and are able to take the worries to a simplified acceptance of life's troubles.  You are a good father.

Your Holiness, you would change places with any of us to spare our lives from any harm.  You have protected us from the wolves that attack the body and the soul.  You are the true shepherd, having taken commission from the One Shepherd.  You are the defender of the meek and the downtrodden.  You are a good father.

You are a strong symbol of the Coptic Orthodox Church.  You are an ambassador for Egypt.  You make us a people that must be reckoned for their history and role in the making of Christianity and in the making of Egypt.  All eyes behold the Lion who is the Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church.  You are a good father.

I hope to see you again as you visit the United States or in any cross in our travels.  My life is richer and happier because it has come upon your being.  Your soul radiates to all of us as your children.  You are the mirror and reflector of the One True Light.  You are a good father.

I hope that if ever the day that courage is needed and I may need to offer my life instead of yours, I pray the Lord to give me that courage to protect my father and offer a sacrifice of love to preserve his life instead of mine.  You are a good father.

I am blessed by you as you pronounce the Holy Trinity upon me.  I breath because you have called the Holy Spirit upon me.  You are a good father.

You have the Gift of Gifts in that you see the Holy Trinity in every moment.  I cannot give you anything greater than my prayers daily that God will preserve your life for all of our sakes.  I bow to your being and the pure soul that you have and offer my love as a simple son to his good father.

I love my Pope because he is a good father.

Happy Anniversary.  The Lord Grant you many many years with peace, and that all your enemies and the enemies of the Church be cast under your feet.]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12518/coptic-faith-through-an-arab-lense Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:23:45 +0000 Coptic Soldier 12518@/community/discussions
I just thought id share this song I've just written to open a discussion I believe is a massive issue in our church today.



Obviously because my audience is largely secular, the images I used to convey the message were more popular, well known visions of Christians smothering Grace with hatred, however I think the attitude is also very strong within our Coptic Orthodox church.

I guess more specifically, it really comes through on the smaller things. (Let's put big issues like homosexuality/abortion/single mums etc aside for now). I believe since the Arab invasion of Egypt, it has been inevitable that we have absorbed (unwillingingly and unknowingly) a lot of their cultures and attitudes. i.e. if someone is different than you, they are frowned upon.

Why is it that my parents and everyone else like them will frown at someone who has tattoos, piercings or even coloured hair? There is no theological reason to think of these people as "further from God", yet being bought up in the Australian Coptic culture I have been - Ive had the impression that anyone remotely "off beat" is treated as toxic.

How, if we are unable to welcome people who look different, are we able to truly welcome people who are different? I'm talking of people who need Christian Grace more than anyone.

In the words of Philip Yancey;

"The worse a person felt about himself, the more likely she saw Jesus as a refuge. Has the church lost that gift?"]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12563/oghnostos-or-anaghnostos Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:22:15 +0000 drilago99 12563@/community/discussions Simple words please, lol, because I understand you guys are like pro Coptic.]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12546/praying-on-animals Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:38:20 +0000 Zoxsasi 12546@/community/discussions
Today, in Paris, this has appeared on the news:

http://eglisesainterita.free.fr/

If you can't read French, its about a parish where  they have Holy LITURGIES to pray and bless animals.

So, the bishop there prays on 100's of cats and dogs and birds (even horses) that come to the Parish or into the Church.

Is this something OK to do or not??

Can priests/bishops "bless" animals"

What happens when an animal receives a blessing?

Can we pray that animals are healed? (if they are ill)?

OK.. fair enough, the priest isn't praying on a dead animal; that's true - but what about the rest?

Thanks

]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12378/is-the-coc-doing-enough-missionary-work Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:09:40 +0000 andrew8345 12378@/community/discussions
I am interested in your thoughts. Do you think that is true? Are the Protestants and others doing more than us? Should we be leading the effort in this area? ]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12561/monastery Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:59:28 +0000 henrik.hank 12561@/community/discussions https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12536/coptic-iconography-colours-and-symbolism Fri, 04 Nov 2011 00:04:56 +0000 Timothym 12536@/community/discussions

Does anyone know the colour scheme of the Coptic iconography? For example, we often see Christ in byzantine icons wearing a red garment (symbolizing His Divinity) covered with a blue/green shawl which symbolizes His Incarnation; while for the Virgin Mary the opposite colour scheme is in effect: blue underneath to symbolize her human nature and the red on top to symbolize how by Christ's incarnation in her womb, she was 'adorned/clothed' with divinity in the sense that Christ was born of/through her (while still remaining fully human of course).

In the Coptic icons, I often see that Christ wears a white garment underneath and then a red shawl-type garment on top, while the Virgin Mary is often clothed in red with a brown over-garment.What, if any, is the symbolism of this?



Of note is the classical/renaissance style coptic icons (which I love as well) of St. Mary with the crown on her head and in this icon she is wearing red underneath and blue on top.
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Also, I've heard that the reason why Christ has one finger on his right hand blessing, is to explain the One Incarnate Nature and go in opposition to the supposedly byzantine Christ icons which might make his hands look like He is holding 2 fingers upwards to defend the 2 natures:human and divine; however the meaning of this sign is that He is signing out the name of Jesus Christ  in letters (IC XC)...it has nothing to do with natures. So I was basically told that at some point there was a misunderstanding of this symbolism as Greek was used less in later centuries.]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12545/coptic-museum Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:05:02 +0000 sodr2 12545@/community/discussions
i really wish i could attend a liturgy in the coptic period just to see the differences (and im sure it would be enthralling), even though that desire usually diminishes whenever i attend mass early in the morning and stand while the ringing bells echos off the dome as Abouna picks the bread and the deacons chant Kyrie Eleyson. i just love our Coptic church...yeah, just something I wanted to share. yeah... "yeah" is such a convenient word to use when self consciousness arises during internet communication.

Pray for me?]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12501/re-pope-shenouda-iii-s-40th-anniversary Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:15:06 +0000 elsi70x7 12501@/community/discussions
If so, does anyone know what he likes?
What would be a good gift to give him?
]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12513/halloween Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:50:26 +0000 Zoxsasi 12513@/community/discussions
Should they be allowed to?

I'm assuming that Halloween is non Christian. ]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12537/definition-of-copt Fri, 04 Nov 2011 10:03:32 +0000 peter_saad 12537@/community/discussions
http://www.onislam.net/english/back-to-religion/covering-religion/454347-copts-does-it-refer-to-egyptian-muslims.html]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12509/what-makes-a-priest-become-a-hegumen Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:31:37 +0000 Anthonypk7 12509@/community/discussions https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12525/doing-a-term-paper-on-the-coptic-church Wed, 02 Nov 2011 14:20:18 +0000 peter_saad 12525@/community/discussions
I am doing a term paper on the COC. It's actually for a music 'appreciation' class. I also have to provide some music examples. I was wondering if you guys could help me find some sources as for the background of the COC and it's hymns, and how the hymns were passed down and stuff.

Also, if you guys have any ideas of hymns that would appeal to the American people, I'd appreciate that!

Thanks :)]]> https://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/12521/holy-synod-insists-on-40th-anniversary-celebration-of-pope-shenouda-s-papacy Tue, 01 Nov 2011 19:32:54 +0000 Anthonypk7 12521@/community/discussions http://www.christian-dogma.com/vb/showthread.php?t=145279


Th Holy Synod has called for the celebration of the 40th anniversary of Pope Shenouda III's Papacy, after H.H. cancels it due to events in Maspeero. It will happen, and later, H.H. will travel for his treatment in the U.S.]]>