Al Qaida Threat on the Coptic Orthodox Church

[anba bola]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5csSijSaA8

This is a video of her coming out and saying she is a Christian. There is much controversy over the issue with many stories floating around. There are countless versions of stories due to each person hearing things from unreliable sources, or others. Therefore, unless you hear something directly from the church, it is better not to speculate. I'm reminded of a previous issue similair to this that had implications of violence, and several stories floating around. see this thread for more

Let us pray, and hold our tongues.

This is Pope Shenouda's say on the matter:

"Our silence does not mean that we do not have an answer to what is said about us, wehave a strong response. But we do not want to add fuel to the fire, and we prefer silence. However our silence should not be used to cause more incitement and insults. No. this matter is unacceptable and is not for the good of the country and its image."

Source: http://english.freecopts.net/english//index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=1104

[Pi Onkh]

Some slightly good news...
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8118402

[Mikhail™]

Some slightly good news...
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8118402

Like I said before, Egypt is too good for them!
"Blessed be Egypt my people!" Isaiah 19:25

[dthoxsasiPhilanethrope]

So i was looking through islamic forums and i found some really disturbig things


This is word for word a prayer someone posted

"And Ya Rabb. Send sickness, diseases and cancers and disasters multiplied on those who bark(copts). Ameen."

and concerning the situation in iraq

Its not a 'made up conspiracy' its a fact that a coptic Church in Egypt is holding Camilia Shehata (Both sides say this), the issue is that she converted to Islam and moved somewhere else, then the police arrested her and brought her back to her village, the church is now saying that she re-converted to Christianity, Muslims are saying well if she converted to Christianity let her come out to say this herself. Now, the Cops are saying that she doesn't want to come on TV (although she did when converting to Islam). Many people say that she's dead.

Can someone please shed some light on this!? or is any of it true?

No.. none of it is true.

I urge EVERYONE to go to these muslim forums and post this video showing that Camilia is OK and has NEVER converted to Islam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5csSijSaA8

They are sadly born to believe that there is no other religion like Islam, and that they are all righteous and everyone else are liars. They have no idea of their own Quran.

[John_S2000]

We should pray and present our difficulties to the Lord of Hosts asking Him to solve the situation with His grace and according to His will. I think what HH meant is that we should not engage in noisy or unwise discussions with disrespectful or agitated people.

Like anba bola quoted HH Pope Shenouda III wise words: "we do not want to add fuel to the fire, and we prefer silence", this is by no means due to weakness or fear from our side but we are leaning mainly on the powerful hands of our just God. It is also very difficult to agree on subjecting our married Christian sisters to any media manipulations against their will.

Zoxsasi, many know this video and have watched more, so many things are online.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Ihx0RQHds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6emGx7E1Is

GBU

[dthoxsasiPhilanethrope]

H.H's words are indeed very wise.

Of course there's no point in talking to agitated or disrespectful people, but there are only 900 views of her video and yet the videos made up by those reporting that she has converted to Islam are in the 10's of the thousands.

Do you think she and Wafa Constantine should just do an interview on TV?

[marabe23]

The punishment for reconverting from Islam to Christianity is death if the extremists get hold of her she is going to be martyred

[dthoxsasiPhilanethrope]

The punishment for reconverting from Islam to Christianity is death if the extremists get hold of her she is going to be martyred

Marabe,

But she never converted! her video is absolutely clear. She NEVER converted. For her to have ever become a muslim, she'd have had to say the "shehada" in front of a few muslim witnesses. Who did she this to? Are they going to now pretend that she appeared to them and that she actually said she was muslim? Is she going to live the rest of her entire life running away from fanatics??

Has wafa constantine made a similar video?? Where is Wafa Constantine anyway?

[marabe23]

You have a point she never did but can you get that out of the extremists heads? and she is in one of the monasteries we don't know because if we ever found out it would detrimental to the safety of the monastery

[dthoxsasiPhilanethrope]

You have a point she never did but can you get that out of the extremists heads? and she is in one of the monasteries we don't know because if we ever found out it would detrimental to the safety of the monastery

Good point also.

But Camelia can't go on like this.. she needs to live normally with her husband.. she's married with a kid.

What should she do??

I kind of envy her... being stuck in a monastery, tasbeha all night, Holy Mass in the morning.. Hmm!!! Sounds good doesn't it?

Does Wafa Constantine have the same video? Where is she at least??

My feelings are this. Let them at least do a video with an interviewer and that's it. In a private location - on national TV and let everyone's be at peace.

[George_Mina]

There does seem to be a few open-minded people on the forum...if the majority of Muslims could think like this one, the problems between us and them would be momentously decreased.

Hi Everyone

Salam.

I'm really pleased to inform you that Camelia Constantine has made a video where she clearly says that she has never converted to Islam, nor will she. She is fine and in good health also.

YouTube - Camelia Shehata confirms her Christian faith كاميليا شحاتة تؤكد مسيحيتها

For those of you that don't speak Arabic, she has said that she has never been muslim, she never will be muslim and she's still married. But she is FINE! She hasn't been kidnapped and she's looking pretty good.

As for the picture of her dressed in a Hijab .. lol : YouTube - عاجل! | كيف قاموا بتزييف صورة كاميليا شحاتة و هي بالنقاب ‎ (there ya go). You can now put that on your CV.

Now, she's come out and told everyone.

Do you want me to post for you the links from Wafa Constantine?

[MASR]

Hello everyone, I am a new member around this forum. However I have been frequently and regularly analyzing various Coptic and Muslim forums over the course of the past few months as I continue to monitor the increasingly alarming situation unfolding in our beloved land and country, Egypt. I am a Muslim, however my main intent on signing up here was to get a better understand and appreciation of the Coptic point of views, and how they percieve the current situation in Egypt.

As for he Al Qaeda threat, that is based and constructed on the basis of increasing secertarian violence, I really do hope that our Coptic/Egyptian brothers are in no true danger. Eitherway, the Coptic population of Egypt has seen various threats in the past and have bravely stepped up to their rights for equality, which I believe every Egyptian should support.

The consistent nationwide condemnation of these threats has been pleasant, some have even come from the shameless group known as the "Muslim" Brotherhood.

As for the Camila issue, it is nothing more than an excuse for Salafi/Wahabi groups to justify their criminal acts. Furthermore, there has not been enough proof as to whether Camelia did indeed convert, and later repent. Most is speculation. And even if she had converterd, I do not understand why conservatives fromboth Muslims and Coptics care...? Islam is no need for "Camelia to convert" and the Coptic church has growing influence in Europe in North America, and thus, I'm sure is not waiting for "Camelia" to convert back

[dthoxsasiPhilanethrope]

Everyone,

This situation is getting out of hand:

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2010/1103/Al-Qaeda-ally-in-Iraq-says-all-Christians-legitimate-targets?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+TerrorismSecurity+(Christian+Science+Monitor+|+Terrorism+%26+Security)


As you can see, we're all "legitimate" targets for Al Qaeda because of these false rumours that Camilia and Wafaa have become muslim.

I don't see what is wrong with you posting the links on fanatical websites! They have only 900 views.

I'm not suggesting you invite them for coffee at your home and enter into an existential discussion about God and the destiny of mankind. I'm just asking you, for the sake of peace, to post the video of Camilia testifying that she was never a muslim.

[MASR]

Mass killings due to the speculation of two converted women?

Barbaric indeed.

[George_Mina]

Masr,

I'm glad to have someone like you on this forum. You seem to be one of the few people from either side with a completely neutral perspective. Very respectable.