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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2011, 09:29:04 PM »

 Whatever we try to do for you is in the grace of rightousness, so who is to judge rightousness. If we speak of doing good because God has brought us to that position in our live, or if we have learned it from the Holy Bible, or our Church Fathers. Know that any good deed that we do for you that keeps you part of our flock is because of the Shepherd.
  What is missing in your life Godloves me? Tell us please.
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2011, 10:12:35 PM »
I can say that the feeling that God loves her is definitely missing, which is ironic, isn't it. If you know God loves you, do not distress or be anxious. I want to say "how can you ever think such thoughts?!" But I know as well as you we are human, and our faith plummets and rockets. However, I dare you to rekindle your Love for God, I dare you to wake up today and say "I may not know what is going to happen today, I may not know what people will say of me today, I may not know if I fail today, but I know God, and he knows all this, and he would never harm me!"

It's easier said than done. Here is what I suggest you do. PRAY. Pray pray pray. Pray as much as you can, whenever you're feeling down. IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE to NOT FEEL GOD'S LOVE when you Pray! It may come slowly, but it surely comes. Don't be discouraged or frustrated by the contents of your prayer; pour your heart out, your troubles, and literally say "God, here's your workload for the day."

Listen to some sermons, meditate, read a book. Take time and find out what is causing this, how it can be fixed, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, what it can teach you. As RevRun says "The Lord is kind,, He did not bring you this far to leave you". Trust that God is working in you, and although you can't see the fruits just yet, be thankful for this hardship and allow God to better you. You must believe that God will never leave you, no matter what happens here. Pray for me

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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2011, 12:54:56 AM »
I'm afraid of being rejected...it's happened way too many times already and it hurts A LOT. Some people just don't understand and can't handle certain things.

Rejected by who? If you know in your heart that God loves you, and that He sacrificed Himself so that you may live forever, WHO or WHAT else really matters? Are you really afraid of being rejected by people whose hearts go wherever the wind blows? 

+TheGodChrist+,
I'm not really sure why God created me actually...I'm pretty useless.

You think you are useless? If anything, I am pretty sure that at least 1 out of 775 posts has made a difference in another human being's LIFE. It sure has in mine. See, you can impact others, and you've already shown it.

That's the only thing that's keeping me from committing suicide...perhaps through some crazy chance, I might have a chance of going to heaven...crazy but perhaps...

If a murderer (St. Moses the Strong), a prostitute (St. Mary of Egypt), a torturer and persecutor of Christians (St. Paul), and an adulteress (St. Photini) can all get into Heaven, I'm pretty positive you have a chance.

I doubt my life will get better, it seems to only get worse...in certain aspects of my life, I've already lost complete hope.

I know you're not this hopeless. Do you not know that the God who calmed the seas can also calm the storms inside your heart? Do you not know that the pain that you feel now was first felt by Christ? God...FELT...pain. And this is how He relates to us. He feels directly what we go through. He experienced your pain, and He overcame it. And because He overcame it, all who follow His footprints overcome their pain as well.

Don't lose your hope in your God. He is mighty and has saved you many times before. Be fierce and fight this battle as any soldier would, and victory will inevitably be yours through the love and precious blood of Christ Our Savior.

Pray the 1st, 3rd, and 6th hours of the Agpeya everyday for one week. Pray it with every passion and fiber in your being. Really give it your all. How can God just ignore you? Will He not bestow inner peace upon those who cry out to Him?

My loved ones won't suffer if I die...no one will...a lot of people will be much happier actually...it would save them a lot of trouble.

How dare you say that no one will suffer if you die. Every person you know will suffer. Every person on this site will suffer. Your Father of confession will suffer. Your Church will suffer. Your family will suffer (even if you may not believe it). I will suffer and be tormented for the rest of my life, and you don't even know me. Most importantly, you will suffer...and that is the greatest loss of all.

You're right though...I should be thankful for what I have. Thank you.

If you try to live a life of thanksgiving, cherishing every moment that God allows you to be on this Earth, you will see God's hand in your life. Your life will be filled with the grace of God, if you try to live a life of humility and thankfulness.

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"Be persecuted, rather than be a persecutor. Be crucified, rather than be a crucifier. Be treated unjustly, rather than treat anyone unjustly. Be oppressed, rather than zealous. Lay hold of goodness, rather than justice." -St. Isaac of Syria (Nineveh)

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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2011, 01:52:09 AM »

 Hi Godlovesme,
                      Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and feelings with us. That is brave and shows some trust. As for feeling rejected. I'm adopted, I was born in rejection, a stranger in this world. These are people God works so hard on their minds and hearts, as they are different. Their identity is at stake the moment they are born. When I've read the gospel or anything else to do with Jesus Christ, I have strong feelings that he is a stanger in the world as well. But he knew everyone, and knew what they were going to do even though he gave them a chose.
   He was rejected before he was born and ended up in the manger, and then again when king Herod wanted him dead and he went to the safety of Eygpt. Which I believe our church has a special relation with God.
   
    I will come back with this.  Stay with us please.

             God bless you Godlovesme.
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2011, 02:26:39 AM »
Thank you for taking the time to explain your situation to us, GODlovesme. I think I think I can empathize with some of this, though without specifics it is hard to say too much. I definitely know the feeling of people not helping or understanding, at least. But it is important to remember that sufficient for a day is its own trouble, so whoever may have let you down in the past or whatever you may have done or not done then, it is good to recognize that today, in fact right now is when people here want to hear you and try to help you. You are our sister in Christ. We will not let you go without a fight!

And as in all battles and struggles, our strength is in prayer. So I will pray for you, and ask for the prayers of the saints to carry you through this period.

dzheremi,
I've already tried speaking to people about this in the past. In the past, people didn't have time...others can't understand what I'm saying, some just don't care...how shall I say this? I'm a really interesting personality, it's really hard to be close to me and sometimes it gets to a point where it's also really hard to care about me...this time, it's really complicated, like I said, I don't even know how I'm going to explain it to my FOC. Thank you so much for that quote. That actually helped me a lot as did the other verses people posted. Please pray for me a lot.

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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2011, 01:20:45 PM »
ilovesaintmark,
True...thank you.

liftmyheart,
There's too many reasons why I hate myself. I'm afraid of rejection because I've gotten rejected previously many times. Yes, God loves us true. I, however, have no good characteristics. Suppose that I die and stand before God without having done any good but more bad, what do you think God's response will be? Unfortunately I do feel that way sometimes. I know that God loves me but at times I feel abandoned for many reasons. Thank you for your posts. Please pray for me.

Unworthy1,
Know this: You are precious in the eyes of our Lord.

Thank you.

Joshuaa,
You ask what is missing in my life? I will tell you: everything good (on my part). I possess no good qualities and I feel as if my purpose in life is severely skewed. At times, I don't know why I do certain things or that I'm doing them for the wrong reason. My spiritual life is messed up; therefore, it's having a negative effect on my regular life. I suppose I can say that what I'm missing in my life is faith. Thank you for your posts. God bless you too. Please pray for me.

+TheGodChrist+,
There's a reason why St. Moses the Strong, St. Mary of Egypt, St. Paul, and St. Photini all got into Heaven. They had strong faith and good characteristics/good works, neither of which I possess. LOL humility...o yeah, I forgot...that's like the #1 reason I hate myself. Thank you for your post though, it was uplifting as were other peoples'.

dzheremi,
Thank you for your post. It was uplifting.

To everyone, thank you so much for your support and care. I appreciate it a lot.
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2011, 02:44:01 PM »
liftmyheart,
I, however, have no good characteristics.

What, in your opinion, are some good characteristics that you wish you had?

Suppose that I die and stand before God without having done any good but more bad, what do you think God's response will be?

God is not counting how many times you fall...He's counting how many times you get up. The fact that you are trying to get help, is good. The fact that you care about your soul, is good. The fact that you are trying to change and get up from this period in your life, is good. The fact that you have even the slightest desire to help others on this site, is good. Just from these tiny observations, you can conclude that you have good within you. And this good inside of you was planted by God Himself. He doesn't want you to cut down the tree when a branch breaks. He wants you to keep growing, always striving to learn more and improve yourself.

No one is born "good." We all fell from grace and inherit the nature of Adam. Life is a work in progress. Step by step, God changes you into the person He wants you to be. Don't look at life in the short term; look at it long-term, towards Heaven.

Has there ever been a time in your life when you felt that God was truly there for you? 

+TheGodChrist+,
There's a reason why St. Moses the Strong, St. Mary of Egypt, St. Paul, and St. Photini all got into Heaven. They had strong faith and good characteristics/good works, neither of which I possess.

No, they didn't naturally possess strong faith. They didn't naturally posses good qualities. Murderer? Prostitute? Persecutor? Adulterer? Good qualities!? Can any "good" come from any of those professions?

It's not about possessing these qualities. It's about working towards achieving them through God's grace. St. Moses the Strong didn't all of a sudden shake off his thirst for women. He worked at it, improving himself day by day, and always learning from his past. That's what you need to do.

LOL humility...o yeah, I forgot...that's like the #1 reason I hate myself. Thank you for your post though, it was uplifting as were other peoples'.

I don't mean humility in the embarrassing and funny type of way. I'm speaking about humility that has this attitude: "God I am truly and utterly worthless by myself and on my own...but because of your love, "I am the light of the world."

We are God's glory, and He is ours. Believe that God can change you and it will happen.

"...Whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them." (Mark 11:24)

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"Be persecuted, rather than be a persecutor. Be crucified, rather than be a crucifier. Be treated unjustly, rather than treat anyone unjustly. Be oppressed, rather than zealous. Lay hold of goodness, rather than justice." -St. Isaac of Syria (Nineveh)

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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2011, 06:10:02 PM »
yeah good post, God does not need us to be good or lovely to work in us.
we just need to come to Him as we are and He works with us.
i know lots of people who are difficult to talk to and who have all sorts of problems, they are very much loved by God and i have learned a lot from them.

please talk to your priest and your doctor.
we are praying for you.

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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2011, 02:03:55 AM »

   My thoughts were like mabsoota's that the best thing to do is to see your priest or a counsellor. Both over the issues with rejection. Not to look for acceptance from others, as it's hard to please anyone. It maybe your reliance on others that makes you feel empty and that you can't be yourself. The reflection isn't there. If you were to relate then you need look no further than Jesus. If Jesus Christ's thoughts and the way he did things were the same as everyone he met then then we would never of heard of him. He gives life. 

     God bless you Godlovesme.
   
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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2011, 09:30:51 AM »
Take it from a person who's talked gay kids out of suicide:

Suicide doesn't end suffering. It is suffering that starts even more suffering, both for your own soul and for your living family and friends.

You need to choose a better solution than one that guarantees more suffering than what you're in now.

CHOOSE LIFE, life in Christ and no one else! Live for Christ and no one else. He became human, took on our sufferings, so that we may become God.


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« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2011, 10:06:55 PM »
Take it from a person who's talked gay kids out of suicide:

Suicide doesn't end suffering. It is suffering that starts even more suffering, both for your own soul and for your living family and friends.

You need to choose a better solution than one that guarantees more suffering than what you're in now.

CHOOSE LIFE, life in Christ and no one else! Live for Christ and no one else. He became human, took on our sufferings, so that we may become God.

I agree with you Gay4XC, suicide doesn't end suffering.

But with all due respect, Christ is not gay for you.

You need to choose a better solution than one that guarantees more suffering than what you're in now.
"Be persecuted, rather than be a persecutor. Be crucified, rather than be a crucifier. Be treated unjustly, rather than treat anyone unjustly. Be oppressed, rather than zealous. Lay hold of goodness, rather than justice." -St. Isaac of Syria (Nineveh)

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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2011, 10:34:00 PM »
Take it from a person who's talked gay kids out of suicide:

Suicide doesn't end suffering. It is suffering that starts even more suffering, both for your own soul and for your living family and friends.

You need to choose a better solution than one that guarantees more suffering than what you're in now.

CHOOSE LIFE, life in Christ and no one else! Live for Christ and no one else. He became human, took on our sufferings, so that we may become God.



I am confused.. I hope that was a mistake or I am misunderstanding.
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« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2011, 11:31:26 PM »
St. Athanasius wrote that "God became man so that men might become gods."

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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2011, 12:20:00 AM »
+ Irini nem ehmot,

Take it from a person who's talked gay kids out of suicide:

Suicide doesn't end suffering. It is suffering that starts even more suffering, both for your own soul and for your living family and friends.

You need to choose a better solution than one that guarantees more suffering than what you're in now.

CHOOSE LIFE, life in Christ and no one else! Live for Christ and no one else. He became human, took on our sufferings, so that we may become God.



I am confused.. I hope that was a mistake or I am misunderstanding.

You're misunderstanding.

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2 Peter 1:4 explicitly speaks of becoming "partakers of the Divine nature". Closely allied are the teachings of Paul the Apostle that through the Spirit we are sons of God (as in chapter 8 of his Epistle to the Romans) and of the Gospel according to John on the indwelling of the Trinity (as in chapters 14-17).[1]. In John 10:34, Jesus himself quoted Psalms 82:1 in saying "Ye are gods."

Patristic writings

According to Jonathan Jacobs, there were many and varied appeals to divinization in the writings of the Church Fathers.[5] As what he asserts is "just a small sample", he lists the following:

    St. Irenaeus of Lyons stated that God "became what we are in order to make us what he is himself."[6]
    St. Clement of Alexandria says that "he who obeys the Lord and follows the prophecy given through him . . . becomes a god while still moving about in the flesh." [7]
    St. Athanasius wrote that "God became man so that men might become gods."[8]
    St. Cyril of Alexandria says that we "are called `temples of God' and indeed `gods,' and so we are."
    St. Basil the Great stated that "becoming a god" is the highest goal of all.
    St. Gregory of Nazianzus implores us to "become gods for (God's) sake, since (God) became man for our sake."

Referring to such declarations by the Fathers, the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church says that the central tenet of deification is that, through the incarnation of his Son, God has called human beings to share God's own life in the Son. It quotes Athanasius: "The Word became flesh … that we, partaking of his Spirit, might be deified" (De Decretis, 14); and Cyril of Alexandria: "We have all become partakers of Him, and have Him in ourselves through the Spirit. For this reason we have become partakers of the divine nature" (In Ioannem, 9).[1]

Saint Augustine pictured God telling him: "I am the food of grown men, grow, and thou shalt feed upon Me, nor shalt thou convert Me, like the food of thy flesh, into thee, but thou shalt be converted into Me."[9] "To make human beings gods," Augustine said, "He was made man who was God" (sermon 192.1.1) This deification, he wrote, is granted by grace, not by making part of the divine essence: "It is clear that he called men gods being deified by his grace and not born of his substance. For he justified, who is just of himself and not from another, and he deifies, who is god of himself and not by participation in another. … If we have been made sons of god, we have been made gods; but this is by grace of adoption and not of the nature of our begetter" (en. Ps. 49.1.2).[10]

The Fathers spoke of the process of deification as begun, at least by prolepsis, in baptism, and so as already effected in the baptized.[11] Clement of Alexandria wrote: "Being baptized, we are illuminated; illuminated we become sons; being made sons, we are made perfect; being made perfect, we are made immortal. 'I', said He, 'have said that ye are gods, and all sons of the Highest."[12] Hippolytus: "He (man) is made God by water and the Holy Spirit after the regeneration of the laver."[13] "Thy body shall be immortal and incorruptible as well as thy soul. For thou hast become God."[14]

However, full deification was seen as occurring only after death. Augustine said, "Our full adoption as sons will take place in the redemption of our body. We now have the first fruits of the spirit (Rom 8:29), by which we are indeed made sons of God. In other respects, however, since we are not yet finally saved, we are therefore not yet fully made new, not yet sons of God but children of the world."[10]
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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2011, 01:03:54 AM »
Thanks Aiernovi! :)
Thanks Cephas, I get it now! :)
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