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Penal substitution is not a heresy. It is the essence of redemption. One dies for another. Here is an elaborate definition: Penal substitution derives from the idea that divine forgiveness must satisfy divine justice, that is, that God is not willi…
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Tawadros is the authentic way of saying the name in Coptic - brfore 1858 when Aryan Moftah changed the way the Coptic letters are pronounced.
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This site is developed to assist English speaking converts into becoming members of the Coptic Church. The site is developed by deacons who serve with Fr. Antony Messeh in the DC area.
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=9472.msg160344#msg160344 date=1349661504] Even if it were not inspired, that does not mean it is un-authoritative (take the Didache, for example). Plus, the EOTC considers it Scripture. [/quote] There is a huge dif…
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[quote author=sordoeht link=topic=9472.msg160334#msg160334 date=1349561399] I am not trying to create controversy, deceive people or revive an old topic, but I have found some fascinating facts and I wanted to share it in this trend and I also wante…
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Some say that abi naf shobi is prayed on weekdays and fasting days. I consider this not right as Alleluia is prayed during the weekdays as well as fasting days.
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13702.msg159990#msg159990 date=1347936250] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13702.msg159988#msg159988 date=1347934505] [quote author=Severian link=topic=13702.msg159960#msg159960 date=1347848339] So I know that we …
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You should rewrite your post as "Not a father according to some in the Coptic Church." I'm not going to reopen the other thread. But this definitely seems like cherry-picking fathers. A better title: "Fathers of the Church According to St. Reminki…
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Tertullian not a father? Tertullian is considered the father of Latin Christianity. No he is not. He is a scholar. He fell into the Montanism.
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[quote author=minasoliman link=topic=9472.msg160000#msg160000 date=1347962180] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=9472.msg159987#msg159987 date=1347934310] Most of the quotes mentioned in this thread are just commentaries by various authors and not a…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=13702.msg159960#msg159960 date=1347848339] So I know that we OO believe the Bible is infallible on matters of faith, practice, and salvation. But is it also infallible/inerrant on matters of science, history, and ge…
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Most of the quotes mentioned in this thread are just commentaries by various authors and not actual quotes. The rest of the quotes do not explicitly say that angels married. Some use the term "sons of God" which does not add to the discussion any c…
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When you get into one of those denial modes, it is hard to make you snap out of it. I guess this applies to those on both sides of the topic.
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you are interpreting St. Irenaeus writings just to suit your point of view Dear Sordoeht Are you not doing the same? St. Irenaus never said that the angles married. He did say that they linked themselves to the offspring, after the union with th…
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Dear sordoeht, I still disagree. I will take quote by quote .... 1. St. Irenaeus of Lyons (2nd century AD – c. 202), “And wickedness very long-continued and widespread pervaded all the races of men, until very little seed of justice was in them. …
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As for the Fathers, it is not just one Father or a couple who came up with a personal interpretation that can be rejected as you claimed in previous posts. None of the fathers quoted here suggest that the angels of God married to women (except for S…
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I provided the meaning of the original Greek text and not an interpretation. Clear to whom? You? I do not understand it that way. No translation conveys what what you are suggesting. Neither the fathers convey what you are suggesting. This is…
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[quote author=Joshuaa link=topic=13681.msg159887#msg159887 date=1347653615] [quote author=imikhail link=topic=13681.msg159884#msg159884 date=1347652765] [quote author=Joshuaa link=topic=13681.msg159883#msg159883 date=1347651737] I understand wher…
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[quote author=Joshuaa link=topic=13681.msg159883#msg159883 date=1347651737] I understand where you are coming from imikhail, but because a church has a weakness doesn't necessarily mean it is wrong. Jesus Christ was prefect in that he had no sin, b…
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... one of the only ways the Church can hold on to the faith and Holy Tradition She received is through Apostolic Succession, is it not? Not necessarily. In the OT, God entrusted His statutes to the Levites, His chosen tribe from which priests we…
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[quote author=Stavro link=topic=9472.msg159862#msg159862 date=1347582568] [quote author=sherene_maria link=topic=9472.msg159857#msg159857 date=1347575225] Could you please elaborate on what you mean, you are saying that the people of Sodom and Gomor…
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=9472.msg159859#msg159859 date=1347575784] I know Coptic. The word genos does not (as far as I am aware) imply substance. It means kind, genus, race, etc. but not substance. In any case, the race of humans i…
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I have a few problems with this. First, the idea that kind=substance is your own logic, and is not based on the Bible. No it is not. If you know Coptic or Greek, you would understand what I mean ouoh paigenoc `mpaf`i `ebol qen `hli `ebyl `nou`pro…
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[quote author=copticuser20 link=topic=13694.msg159844#msg159844 date=1347563817] I was talking with a protestant friend and he said that in the bible, priesthood is looked down upon and that is why the protestants don't have priests. What is the ver…
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[quote author=sherene_maria link=topic=9472.msg159848#msg159848 date=1347566944] Dear imikhail, I just want to ask a question, if Pope St Athanasius is the one who compiled the canonical Holy Bible that the COC adhere to it, and it did not contain …
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=9472.msg159828#msg159828 date=1347501086] If that is true then, the demons are of the same nature as the humans. However, Jesus said that this kind, referring to the demons, cannot go out except by prayer and…
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=9472.msg159826#msg159826 date=1347498888] You have not shown that the fathers are in conflict with scripture, rather, that the fathers are outside of it. You have also show that it disagrees with your unders…
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=9472.msg159824#msg159824 date=1347494680] BUT YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN THAT THEY ARE IN CONFLICT. Show me how they are in conflict. Just one proof. Just one. Please. 3alashan Khatree. Ainu. Abbakih. Min Fadlak.…
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[quote author=Severian link=topic=9472.msg159815#msg159815 date=1347490215] ^You are still using the same strawman argument. Here's a challenge: find Fathers prior to St. Augustine who taught the Seth hypothesis. If you cannot, and still insist the …
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Apostolic succession is not the issue. The try Church is the one that still holds on to the faith and the holy tradition she received.