The documents that were posted were the funeral rite according to the annual rituals, which will no longer apply. I appreciate the Synod decision and decisions in general are not well documented but surely you are able to raise the query with any bi…
Thanks for your points. I totally agree that the hymns are symbolic and the rite is prayed only one time in the life and service of a newly ordained priest.
The priest was ordained just before Lent started and that is not really relevant as the ordination itself is during the liturgy after the prayer of reconciliation.
I have attended the rite before in Egypt and it is not festive but follows the time…
The fast tune for the second and third verses are originally from Alexandria. Personally I have been saying the verses for the last few years as at least the hymn is said in its entirety. I do know that the chorus that appears on ME Sat with Muallem…
Ramez
I checked and the book is called كتاب العظات الزهبية. القديس العظيم يوحنا زهبي الفم. It has sermons to be read on every Sunday of the Coptic year including Lent and The Holy 50 days. Generally the sermons are read after the gospels in Vespers…
Hi Ramez
I will get you the name of the book and author ASAP. I know we have commentaries by other fathers during Holy Week, what I meant was why should every single commentary for the whole period of lent be by one author only? Has no other father…
I have seen a book in Arabic from Cairo which has a commentary by St John Chrysostom to be read after the liturgy gospel during the lent weekdays. While I admire and love his work I often wondered why every commentary should be by him alone with no …
I too was present last Sunday with PeterAsaad when Bishop Pavlos confirmed the above points. In turn it was first confirmed to me last November by Bishops Raphael and Beemen.
Also worth noting is that the decision also states tyat the 11th hour pr…
Just to point out that Nahdet el Kanayes does not not say the psalm should be half festal and and half annual. It actually says you chant it in the festal singary tune and conclude annually i e. The Alleluia as there is no response. There is a video…
Festal Pauline is different and I agree should be said as you wouldn't say the annual tune on Thursday of the Pascha, so why it is ok during festal times I don't know. However the Coptic church has a huge collection of Papal hymns, probably more tha…
There is no disputing that generally speaking Adam and Watos are different. However there is a similar scenario on Palm Sunday where the Watos commentary from vespers is also used during Matins on Sunday morning. There is simply no Adam Hosanna tune…
I'm not sure I understand all the fuss about Ispatir and Tobh hina? They are papal hymns and part of a collection of many. It is not as if they say no papal hymns whatssoever in the Cathedral and it is not practical to say them all! Remember they ar…
From what I have seen from muallimeen in Cairo during festive periods they chant the Adam and Watos both in the tar7 el fa3la tune. I don't know their source suffice to say most Likely Didymus Institute.
Personally I think it is absurd. I would pose the question since when has the 1st January become a Coptic feast? May be next we will be breaking our fast as well? This is very sad to hear.
I've spoken to someone in Cairo who was with both HG Bishop Beemen and HG Bishop Raphael last Wednesday and they both confirmed it. As far as the committee is concerned the changing of the Funeral rites to annual was an opinion of HH Pope Shenouda I…
I cannot comment for Egypt as a whole but definitely not the general teaching in Cairo. I was taught for many years (and still) but a number of Cantors in Cairo, some who teach in Didymus and the Clerical College, and we always read the Difnar of th…
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In regards to the antiphonarium.. what is difference between one said in vespers praise and one…
I remember this being discussed on coptichymns.net years ago and I do not believe there was any concrete answer. In my view the responses are standalone hymns i.e. they refer to the season/feast that the church is celebrating and nothing more. They …
A thoughtful and enlightening answer. Thank you very much as I would probably normally jump in the 'NO' camp without thinking in depth as you have. Why should we think that the 'Fathers' no longer exist and spiritual hymns can no longer be created? …
I was just stating that there are periods of 'uniqueness' which are exceptions
still begs the question what is the tune for Adam commentaries for the Feasts of the Cross and Palm Sunday? Source?
I can think of two very clear exceptions where the commentary tune remains the same being festal periods and also the Pascha week (hazaeny) which does not attempt to differentiate between Batos and Adam. You cannot therefore say there are no excepti…
dear sem sem,
I'm sorry but how on earth is an Adam and a watos pieces sung on the same tune. We're so kidding these days, aren't we? I'm not going to say anymore
Oujai
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I don't see what the issue is? On all other festal days all commenta…
Muallem Ibrahim chants it the same way as Muallem Tawfiq and this is also the way taught in Didymus Institute. As far as I know the recording I heard from Muallem Farag was the same as the hymn Tiestoli for Archangel Michael / Crowning ceremony so i…
Ok let's all enter this blessed fast with calmness and this I say to myself before anybody else.
I would be interested in reading evidence or historical comments (not modern opinion) on the purpose of the fraction and whether it is fact that it sho…