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What Severian said! ;) Pray for me
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After offering up prayers for the repose of our father, H.H. Abune Paulos (may he intercede for us with great fervour before the Lord), i would request prayers for my MCAT tomorrow. Please pray for me, a sinner
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Memory Eternal! May the Lord raise up a shepherd for His people
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1) thank you for not addressing your faulty logic, it proves my point. 2) You are right, we cant take the fathers in isolation or out of context. That is why i didnt do that, you dont seem to have read my post in post 173 so i will copy it to you h…
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You are avoiding the point, the point is that by your logic one can claim that because St. Severus' name is mentioned in the absolution of the servants (in fact is the first name), then according to the liturgical tradition (which you say outranks t…
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Thanks Stavro! I eagerly await what your father of confession has to say! Please post back what his, more knowledgeable, interpretation is. I would also like Fr. Peter's opinion, if you arent too busy, father And exactly as you said. If our fathers…
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Ok Imikhail, if we go with your logic and the liturgical prayers deserve the highest precedence (I dont agree), then we must understand that the absolution (which you mentioned) is a part and parcel with it and thus indicates who's writings are infa…
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So Imikhail, you are saying that the liturgical prayers of the church take precedence, but then you said that understanding it properly needs you to understand the Orthodox faith which would require you to understand the fathers. But here you seem t…
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So Protestants adhere to sola scriptura, i guess Imikhail adheres to sola liturga
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I just had to reply and say this. With all due respect, Imikhail you have taken a quite indefensible position and you just seem too set in your ways to accept the patristic tradition. By setting yourself in opposition to Abouna Athanasius, arguably …
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No comment (i am bowed out :P) but wanted to link an article that has many relevant points from the most educated His Eminence the Metropolitan Abba Seraphim of the British Orthodox Church; http://britishorthodox.org/glastonburyreview/issue-122-an-…
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Yes i do acknowledge that all are born with the stigma of the first sin, the contagion of death, the disease of sin. But i will no way agree that any child is responsible in any capacity for committing any sins. Man's image has been tarnished and ma…
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Stavro! I am glad you chimed in, i really do like hearing your opinion! I do think in a way one could say that we participated with Adam in committing the sin in the idea that through Adam's transgression sin entered the world and we became liable …
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May the Lord bless your journey and give you strength in the hurdles ahead! (one of my biggest pet peeves is Egyptian timing and i am an Egyptian :P) Pray for me
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No, far be it from me to suggest the beautiful liturgical prayers of our church are wrong (although it seems the Holy Synod doesnt even consider them safe by virtue of their altering of the Sagda prayers a few years back). I think that one require…
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With all due respect Imikhail, you are missing the point. The reverend father Athanasius did not WRITE ANYTHING, the reverend father quoted two of the greatest and most prolific fathers of the Church in their writing against this heterodox teaching.…
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I do feel that, with this upcoming generation, with knowledgeable people like yourself, the Coptic Orthodox Church can bring about a re-commitment to the fathers and attain to the purity of the Apostolic faith once again. Pray for me
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Uhm i would say it is in fact relatively common. I would say many of the Copts in my church believe the catholic doctrine. In fact i took quite a few of my own high school sunday school class by surprise when i (new servant at this point) blew all i…
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Wow Severian, way to steal my thunder :P ;)
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Original sin is a well acknowledged title and designation for the catholic doctrine that we inherit the guilt of Adam and Eve. What Fr. Athanasius was then doing was to point out that not only is original sin WRONG but that H.E. Metropolitan Bishoy …
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I dont see why Fr. Athanasius would have taken offense if H.E. in using "original sin" meant "the sin that came first", thus to me it seems evident that he meant the catholic belief of original sin entailing the passing on of the guilt of Adam and E…
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I do think that the phrase original sin is recognizable enough that Fr. Athanasius did not feel the need to define the terms of the doctrine. From the Catholic Encyclopedia, "Original sin may be taken to mean: (1) the sin that Adam committed; (2) a…
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It did take me by surprise to see that too, i wonder what H.E's claim was, because abouna proceeded to ask who the other 3 were. hmmm. Albeit H.E. did say (in H.E.'s 'concise explanation of the canons") that H.E. was nominated to 'defend the true an…
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Oh and imikhail, the idea that we inherit Adam and Eve's sin and the guilt of said sin is entirely novel to the Orthodox and not Orthodox at all. When i have more time later i will post a few quotes from St. Cyril, St. John Chrysostom, and St. Sever…
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I was about to link Fr. Athanasius' article as well! Fr. Athanasius is a truly blessed man and we are so luck to have a theologian of his caliber in our church and just a short 25 minutes from where i live!! :D.
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Severian is pointing out the fact that the teaching that we inherit the guilt and actual SIN of Adam and Eve is becoming far too rampant in the Church and is directly stated in the letter of H.H Mar Ignatius' letter.
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Unfortunately Drillago that teaching is what most of us are raised with but that comes from Anselm (and more development further on) and a worldview that espouses that the magnanimity of an offense is equal to the stature of the person. Ie) slap a p…
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I too would like to see these patristic references you speak of regarding the trisagion.
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Heresy is heresy no matter who produces it, i agree. That doesnt apply to this situation though. As you IM are in the wrong. Fr. Athanasius produced more than a few patristic references to back his view and all you seem to do is insist that you are …
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RO, I second your sentiment. Pretty much anything produced by abouna Athanasius is pure gold and we are lucky to have him in Canada! :D