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The Orthodox Church in America on Orthodox Worship vs. Contemporary Worship – Posted on September 2, 2014 Oftentimes, proponents of introducing heterodox modes of worship into the life of our Oriental Orthodox Communion contend t…
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Okay, so just to be clear, you're really not going to read, consider or respond to any of what's been posted here? That's alright. I'll continue to respond for the benefit of others who might be reading, but that's really no way to carry on a dial…
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Thanks for being kind enough to offer the explanation. It's a shame, because communicating on the old boards was much easier. I wanted to jump into the discussion in the Mission Thread, and I did because I feel it is an important topic, but as you…
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Also His Holiness has visited the Mission Churches in Canada and based on the photos there is affirmation that they are 100% Orthodox so I'm not sure where this claim of the mission Churches being non-Orthodox comes from... Has anyone actually visit…
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I remember reading somewhere that American culture was strongly influenced by Protestant and maybe even Puritan theology... The theology shaped the culture, the songs and the morality of the nation. If this is so...isn't Protestant modes then the cu…
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Also our Bishops visit the churches and they seem to have no issues. Actually, the bishops DO have issues, when they see what is really going on in these churches. http://returntoorthodoxy.com/bishop-abanoub-takes-stand-orthodoxy-muqattam/ htt…
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If these songs are so so bad then where is the proof that they make people protestant or that they teach bad things? They don't say sacraments are bad in those songs. They're just a way that people in North America worship in the culture right? N…
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Also to #4, what if the mission churches that sometimes use other sources and methods outside the liturgy, also only use source material or methods that don't contradict Church teaching? They contradict the teaching of the Church by their very appr…
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If they were to use or draw from other sources they don't do so in the liturgy. Also if Abouna approved these methods should be ok and they're also just ways to introduce people to the Coptic Orthodox Church. Why are we insulting the Abounas? Th…
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ReturnOrthodoxy would you say that people connected with Fr Anthony more? And people didn't get all the theological stuff that Fr John was speaking about? Wasn't there a bigger turn out the year after Fr John came? More people probably found Aboun…
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Bishop David has, on more than one occasion, shown to play both sides of the field. Its like halftime of a soccer game sometimes. At times, he will be a stalwart defender of Orthodoxy. At other times... meh. Of all the things that discouraged me wa…
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And how does this apply to missions anyways? It's all theology. There are people who need saving and all these ideas like confuse people. Rather, the people are being confused by those who feel they can bring Protestant theology into the life o…
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The talk is theological so I'm not sure where everyone is claiming that the mission churches don't have good Orthodox teaching. This kind of teaching and theological talk is also good because it keeps things Christian and not pluarlistic. And the …
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There is even corrective teaching on one of the many heresies of the Eastern Orthodox, where the EO claim that the humanity must be completely and totally dissolved in the divinity of God. If you looked I'm sure you could find at least twelve or m…
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Also what if Abouna or servants made sure the material didn't say anything directly bad against the Church? If the books are being suggested in our abounas' sermons they're obviously good and beneficial to people. OK so some books don't mention our…
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Plus didn't HH Pope Shenouda III bless missions? His Holiness blessed authentic mission, not the incorporation of Protestantism. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpA3T2xFabw Also say the churches still teach about the importance of the holy my…
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About the using of any means can't we still use any Christian source? That wouldn't be pluralism if it is Christian right? Again as long as it brings people to the Church isn't that more important? It is indeed pluralism, even if the sources se…
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Many have loved God and led others into error. There is not such thing as neutral, generic, white-label “Christian”. Everything has a theological orientation, and ours must be 100% Orthodox. Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick answers your question her…
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Like at least the following video shows how we're making things accessible: St. Paul's Coptic Orthodox Mission Church Attracts the Young So, I’m not seeing Abouna bringing in Protestant songs or materials here. Is he? So, we can attract the …
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They look like they pray in English but I wonder if these Churches can be helped with some more modern worship music and by what is mentioned in the Lucado & Warren quotes above. No, they cannot. If the take that poison in, they will cease to …
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They have gone through the material and if it's taught it's probably aligned with Orthodox teaching or at least doesn't contradict it. If they’re not “theological abounas” as you said above, what makes them qualified to do this? Why is there a nee…
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Haven't we heard all our Abounas teach these essential truths? Unfortunately, no. When they follow the Protestants, they are not teaching the essential truths, as Mina demonstrated with the sermon above. So what if some abounas are using different…
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Also do people really need to know all the terms and big orthodox words to be saved? Isn't it more important that the sermons be practical and personal rather than technical and theological? We shouldn’t draw a false dichotomy between the study of…
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Also these sermons are popular so isn't that expanding the influence of our Church? No, it is expanding the influence of the Protestants these priests are influenced by within our Church. Like our youth like this stuff and stay in the church and…
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Doesn't all that extra teaching just get in the way of a personal relationship? Please, let’s not pretend that Evangelical Protestantism is merely “simple teaching”. There is a difference between starting someone off with simple teaching rooted i…
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Our saintly Pope Demetrius II of Alexandria made this clear. http://returntoorthodoxy.com/pope-demetrius-alexandria-papal-bull-protestantism/ What about people who might feel Orthodox Church too heavy shouldn't we make it more accessible for them …
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Hi everyone, since this thread is about mission, does it really matter what material what our Abounas use or base their sermons on? Yes, it absolutely does. This is like saying, “Does it matter if I make my baby’s formula from milk or bleach? Afte…
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That makes sense but I feel like a lot of lectures I/we hear can appease any religion? If it can appease most religions, is that bad/non-orthodox? Yes. Our job is not to appease people and make them comfortable where they are, but rather to lead…
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It is sometimes tragic that we haven't been inspired by the missionary work of the other Orthodox (Eastern and Oriental) and Roman Catholics in the same way that we have with other sources. We shouldn’t be inspired by the “other sources” at all.…
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His Grace Bishop David speaks(/spoke at a retreat) very highly of Fr. Anthony, and I think that's enough confirmation for me that what he's doing is fine. The problem with Abouna Antony Messeh is that he is backed by some Bishops. While Anba Surie…