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Zoxsasi, You're thinking of "purgatory" as a specific place of torture. That is why I said leave aside the extra traditional imagery introduced in medieval times. I am speaking about a state based on 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 (Read it). The Church Fath…
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Interesting, I thought about that objection but why doesn't it hold before death when we are being purified and disciplined as well? Also it is the grace of Christ that it is argued that purifies us. The cleansing fire being from God Himself who ta…
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Corinthians you mean
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The spiritually mature way to read the story is to see yourself directly involved in the fall, that you were in Adam disobeying God as we have all done. That is how St. Gregory the Theologian takes it and this is what we see in his Liturgy.
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I am, but I am not sure what that has to do with the argument. Whether evolution is real or not is irrelevant to the story of Creation. Clearly the story is wrapped up in a lot of mystery that we cannot begin to actually understand what exactly happ…
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Yeah but how's that all of Genesis? And that much is hardly allegorical.
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Where did you get that all of Genesis is allegorical? Death which entered into our world by the envy of the devil.
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"In the Hebrew language Adam signifies 'human being,' and...in those parts of the narrative which appear to refer to Adam as an individual, Moses is discoursing upon the nature of humanity in general." - Origen (Against Celsus 4.40)
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Zoxsasi and Beekay,Adam and Eve were the first human beings in the fullest sense possible. How is this irreconcilable with evolution? They were the first humans to have God's Image and Likeness imprinted in them. What is this Image? It is the same I…
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Perhaps an ancient form of penance...seems like a number of Coptic saints did it, St. Parsouma St. Simon the Tanner, and Origen.
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So St. Parsouma cut off his tongue before dying???
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The theology of these verses seems questionable.
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We should not see any of the events in the life of Christ's redemptive work as isolated from the rest, but it is as Fr. John Behr puts it, like holding a prism to the light and all the different coloured lights are diffracted to show us each individ…
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As Orthodox we do not emphasize one over the other. They are both intrinsically related to eachother. If you preach the Cross you preach the Resurrection and if you preach the Resurrection you preach the Cross because you can't have one without the …
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Sorry to bring this back up again but a few people back here in Church are starting a violent opposition to evolution and I am trying to show that on a scientific basis it is tenable and on a theological basis it does not undermine our faith.
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Archdeacon Dr. Roshdy who did a PhD in liturgical studies notes that the earliest manuscripts from the 5th-7th centuries have a very simple and primitive form of fraction prayers as we do now. In fact they were never referred to as the Fraction, but…
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I know, that's why I posted it.
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As Paul says: "Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have pas…
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Thanks Mina,Of course I do not for a moment presume to believe that our faith is grounded in science. My point was that it it is not irrelevant to some of our dogma. Thank you, you helped put things into perspective. If Jesus' existence was disprove…
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Mina, I am simply stating that a fundamental part of our faith does depend on a science, specifically historical science as far as the existence of Jesus is concerned (I know it is a well established fact). I understand that this is only a starting …
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Fair enough. However, how do you come to conclusion as to whether something becomes dogmatic or not? For example, the historicity of Christ is absolutely crucial to our dogma and salvation. The Paradaisical state of man and his fall are dogma. These…
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While that is all well and good, my struggle here is to understand why it is that the Scriptures presents these things as history. For it specifically states that this communion in Paradise was to be found in a Garden in the Middle East. For this se…
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I have read sections yes. I understand that Paradise is spiritual communion with God. But Paradise in the Scriptures is defined as a specific geographical location with the first humans marked with God's Image (free will, spirit, reason, creativity…
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Thanks Mina, your post did help clarify things, especially that quote from St. Cyril. Evolution may or may not be true, I am inclined to believed it. But still after honestly confronting the Scriptures there are a number of issues that I run into. F…
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Minasoliman, but I am struggling to put my mind at ease. If Christ made death as a form of mercy for us, why does Paul call death Christ's final enemy? It just seems that the patristic consensus is that death was not caused by God who is the Life.
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Why then is mortality part of our nature as St. Athanasius puts it and you have also affirmed?
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Minasoliman, If God is All-Good and He created biological death, then biological death is good (as He saw everything that it was good). If biological death is good, why is it that God, though making morality part of our nature, intended for us to r…
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I am talking about physical death (which you said naturally belongs to all animals, including humans). Did God create it?
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Minasoliman, who is the author of death? Many would argue that it is God, and many would argue that God did not create it. Just answer that simple question and maybe we can move on.