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  • Can I just add or quote the Saturday Theotokia: "O you who is without sin, and pure,The Saintly in EverythingThe One who presented to us God,Carried Upon Her Arms" (Ti-atsolep ensemneh).  That is a trouble translation from the coptic or even the a…
  • Interesting point Mina, Can I just add or quote the Saturday Theotokia: "O you who is without sin, and pure,The Saintly in EverythingThe One who presented to us God,Carried Upon Her Arms" (Ti-atsolep ensemneh).  What does this mean?  Does it mean th…
  • Can someone kindly explain to me what our faith is? Why did Christ die for?  Katanikhoros: i'm so sorry if you interpreted my post as being harsh: when I say "being attacked" - i was exaggerating, if not being a tad bit sarcastic. Im really impresse…
  • Dear CopticCopa, You wrote: If you believe in this theory you are making up your own story and everyone can make up their own version-+ how many human beings were there when sin entered the world?+ what was the commandment that God gave them?+ how m…
  • My dear brothers I am sorry have not had the chance to read all the postings but just a few pages so I have an idea of what is being said. I feel uneasy about the theological view that is does not matter- my personal belief is that it definitely mat…
  • Guys. When is everyone free to chat about this online? We are all assuming that Mina and Kata have the same opinion, but I think its slightly different; and this is causing some confusion as they both seem to agree with Evolution; yet, if I'm not m…
  • Mina, if Adam and Eve were not literally persons, but rather an allegorical representation of humanity then how do you explain this verse, "Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the Lord.”…
  • May I just say, Mina and Kata, that I've personally drawn a lot of comfort from this thread and discussion with you.I don't think it has been fruitless in anyway whatsoever. The fact that we have already individuals who have no problem in reconcilin…
  • This whole thread highlights the insanity of the people in the church. Wailing and moaning about divorce but totally cool with the church becoming protestant. Its none of anyones business who gets divorced for what reason, it is between the couple a…
  • I do not like protestantism in the slightest, but I do find it difficult to be a part of this church. Talking to Egyptians is like talking to a wall, no offense to my Egyptian brethren but you guys are some of the most hard headed people I have ever…
  • Gents, I've just spoken to some servants from the UK. They've told me that their Church, priests, bishops are 1000% against the theory of evolution being the precursor of mankind.  They've even given a seminar on this, and scientific presentations a…
  • Ioannes, Hey - why did you leave the Church? What happened?  What counts as "leaving the Church" in this survey anyway? I cannot find a Coptic Church near me so I often have to go to a Catholic Church. 
  • So long as they remained in communion with God they were entirely immortal. Kata, Now we are in Union with God again: Why do we still die? Why did the descendants of the 1st humans die???  That makes no sense.  What the Church has taught was that we…
  • OK - but just a small point : when God did breath into mankind, they became physically and spiritually immortal. Or was it only spiritually immortal? 
  • Hi Katanikhoros, Thank you for your informative and well written posts, by the way! I think I understand the gist of what you are saying: whether God created 1 man or we evolved from apes and then became at a state where God breathed His Life into u…
  • For the benefit of everyone, allow me to summarise what my problem is: We have been taught that we inherited a corrupt nature.  From whom did we inherit this nature?  From Adam & Eve.  "If you eat, you will die".  We die. Physically & Spirit…
  • Zoxsasi, what did I or minasoliman change to "accommodate" science.  Dear blessed brother, Is it me, or did anyone else get the impression that you adhere to a theology where God did not create ONE man and ONE woman, but allowed mankind to be formed…
  • Im so confused.  I'm lost even. You seem to be all going around in circles if not contradicting yourselves. Why can't someone just explain to me, in simple language: IF Adam was just a representative for all mankind, and as a person, didnt even exis…
  • What is the nature of this gift? Mina, I'm just paraphrasing Fr Peter Farrington. I just repeated what he told us about the fall of man.  Don't ask me anymore as I'm not so knowledgeable. Having said that, I think what I believe is basically what mo…
  • Hi Mina, I think there's quite a bit of misunderstanding here on such a forum. Voice chat would have been better. When I said "God can create immortality" - i meant that He could give us the gift of immortality - by virtue of His Gift. That's all. W…
  • If dust is immortal, then you've made God co-essential with creation. Immortality is not created; it is uncreated. God did not create divine nature. I can agree to disagree on your "one Adam and one Eve" doctrine, but the idea that immortality ca…
  • Well, we will agree to disagree on that. I base my whole theology on Christ, and I think that's how the Church fathers based their whole theology as well. Theology is knowledge of God in Christ, not in man. Theology is about the New Adam and the …
  • I remember this testimony of a party girl who used to party heavily. She had some kind of cardiac arrest and died.  Its all documented on YouTube.  She wasn't particularly religious in anyway, but she had this out of body experience. She floated up …
  • So, is your main problem the number of "first human beings"?  Do you believe only one male and one female should be dogma? Hi Mina, Yes. It IS already dogma in our Church. Our entire theology, so far, is based on the fact that ONE man (MISTER ADAM)…
  • Mina, You seem to hold great importance to the questions you are asking me rather than just answering the questions I have; as if by me answering you, I will have somehow discovered the secrets of Genesis and Evolutionary Genetics.  I answered you m…
  • I just want to ascertain one thing, Mina: Do you appreciate the heftiness of this subject on the faith of our Church members? Especially the younger generation.  Our current Church theology, or at least what is being taught to our Children pertainin…
  • By the way, Mina,  The above article by Andrew was apparently written by a Coptic Priest. Do you understand that you are taking on the entire Coptic Orthodox Church here?? Not that I mind.. i don't care; but please bear in mind that when you write, …
  • Dust Theology 101 God creating us from dust = the acceptance that Adam & Eve existed.The two persons, Mr Adam and Mrs Eve actually, physically existed. Why?  Because God creating them out of dust meant that the end product was someone. If we had…
  • + I have a link for you: http://www.orthodoxy.ca/2011/10/glorified-through-hardship-virtuous-suffering/ It has to do with creation/evolution I hope you find this helpful Mina, Let's take a small break for a second. Have you actually read the link t…
  • 3.  Is Adam and Eve made in the image of dust if they are created from dust? If they existed, they are made in the image of God. 4.  If evolution leads to immorality, how do I explain the Biblical passages of genocide in the Old Testament?  Did God …