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  • It's just that this hymn has been passed down with a few grammatical mistakes.. However the in the first verse the alpha is the past tense of the verb ì towards the beginning of the second stanza. I hope that makes sense.. Oujai khan ebshois
  • Dear @AndrewRezk The word is Kirie and I believe it is misspelt as it should end in an 'ayya' or "e". It means lord. I am not sure what those deacons said in the recording you gave the link for, but I have an inkling they were making things up. Th…
  • Dear @minasoliman,Very well said. May God bless us all and grant us the forgiveness of our sins we do knowingly or unknowingly in preparation for that day we will be scrutinised before Him. As @Remnkemi said it is unwise to think of others' salvatio…
  • Dear @minasoliman,I read the article, but have not finished it yet. I cannot response; I am not that well learned.Oujai qen `P`[c
  • Dear @minasoliman,Agreed on all what you said. However, efficacy doesn't mean the bad will gain forgiveness when we pray for them (UNLESS GOD LISTENS TO THOSE PRAYERS AND CHANGES HIS HEART). Likewise, people who died in sin, may still be forgiven ev…
  • No @mikeforjesus,There is no suffering for the chosen. It is EITHER OR. Either you enter the heavenly Kingdom (having awaited in paradise), or the eternal fire (having awaited in hades). There is no suffering at all, because YOU HAVE TO BE SURE that…
  • Dear @Remnkemi, First of all let me apologise for not being very clear in several of my posts in this forum, and particularly this thread. You may know this already, but very often I edit posts from my mobile, and that doesn't give me the time and…
  • Dear @minasoliman You said "But we do know our prayers can be effective even for those in Hades", so I would like to ask how do we know that? I believe that the issue that pope Shenouda found hard to leave in the rites is that there are extreme ar…
  • Addendum to my latest post: repentance is also the fourth salvationary sacrament Oujai khan ebshois
  • Dear @Remnkemi I guess whatever I say in this subject from now on may be taken lightly and rightly so because I am not a scholar and I don't study the Bible as much as you do or know the verses that you do by heart. However please take this IF YOU …
  • Thank you @Joshuaa..Oujai qen P[c
  • Dear @theorthodoxgenius I fail to see how the verses you quoted support the claim of postmortem salvation! Please do not stick to false teachings. This is a grave issue. We are judged upon the faith and the works we have in this body. It is a narro…
  • Dear @Remnkemi Yes those fathers are wrong. I can't show evidence for anything.. It is an issue of faith. Those fathers and St John of Damascus are wrong if they said what you and/or @minasoliman claim, but I cannot show how they are. Not sure whe…
  • Dear @Remnkemi I am not actually sure if you are addressing the latest post to me but suffice it to say that there is no such a thing as postmortem salvation. I don't know what St John of Damascus said but if he did that is wrong and I do wonder on…
  • No @Remnkemi,All the texts you provide does not mean non-Christians could be saved OUTSIDE of the church. As mabsoota said, they have to be Christians. So what does St. Paul mean? The passages may be referring to a "lenient" kind of punishment, or a…
  • Dear @Remnkemi A non-Christian can be saved? I am not sure that this is either an orthodox teaching or a Christian teaching altogether? Oujai khan ebshois
  • Dear @Daniel_Kyrillos I am not sure where you have got this information from, but I presume from a Greek dictionary. In Coptic both mean the same thing - ascension Oujai khan ebshois
  • Dear @Daniel_Kyrillos I am not sure where you have got this information from, but I presume from a Greek dictionary. In Coptic both mean the same thing - ascension Oujai khan ebshois
  • Ekhrestos anesty Very very well said dear @mabsoota.. Oujai khan ebshois
  • Ekhrestos anesty Very well said @minasoliman Oujai khan ebshois
  • Ekhrestos anesty Dear @minasoliman No I don't. I will take this point from you though from now on. During abouna's talk there is no need to stand up anyway.. Oujai khan ebshois
  • Ekhrestos anesty Dear @Justice You may be surprised to hear that there was nothing called priest's talk during the liturgy until at least the tenth century onwards if not even later. Even then the talk was only restricted to Sundays of the Lent an…
  • Ekhrestos anesty Dear @Remnkemi Sorry I misunderstood what you said. As you rightly say it is not an Arabic word, but "marto" as you referred to is not Arabic or Coptic either and it is not a title for martyrs, whilst "mar" is. Oujai khan ebshois
  • Ekhrestos anesty Exactly as @minasoliman puts it.. Very well said.. Oujai khan ebshois
  • Ekhrestos anesty Dear @Justice Yes I do believe that the strictly correct practice is to stand during the whole of the liturgy. And as @minatasgeel says that is why there is a number of monasteries that do not have them in the first place. Certain…
  • Ekhrestos anesty Dear @minatasgeel Good question. I guess what I am getting at is if this hymn is a resurrection to an old teaching, is it newly constructed, how widely used was it, and who used to sing it before and how regularly? Oujai khan ebs…
  • Ekhrestos anesty Dear @Daniel_Kyrillos Yes I agree with you it does make some sense to me. And I also learned that tunes of connecting ceremonials do overlap sometimes, so I don't mind the hymn, don't get me wrong, but the big question that you as…
  • Ekhrestos anesty Dear @Remnkemi We certainly say St Mary.. "tyetouab Maria", "diageya Maria", etc. Mar in Coptic titles is a prefix for the abbreviated word "martiros". It is not a proper Arabic word.. Oujai khan ebshois
  • Ekhrestos anesty I have been listening to some parts and it sounds like a compilation of some of the notations (hazzat) of jenetleyon! Oujai khan ebshois