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  • Hymns should be in the kiahk tune according to all the older manuscripts and ritual texts
  • If I may just clarify a few things: There is a relative structure to the hymns in the Coptic church that follow the woham and paralex style.  Wohams:1) They are not chanted antiphonetically; they are chanted either as a solo or as a chorus2) They do…
  • There is a hymn called Kyrie Eleyson (el siami) that is said at that point
  • Dr. Youssef Mansour recorded the response in M. Faheem's tapes for the St. Basil Liturgy. There are other recordings of the response as well from HICS and Fr. Abraam el Abnoby
  • To answer the last question: Tarh el fa3ala is the joyful tune for the exposition. The reason for this is that even Ibn Kabar mentions it in the midnight praise for All Sundays on the basis that sundays in the old tradition were joyful. That's why s…
  • HICS recording the festal difnar as annual is incorrect, and unless Wagdi has a reason for the recording he has on this site, recording the wados annual tune as the joyful is also wrong. As a matter of fact his rendition of it is slightly different …
  • Clarifications: ANNUAL ADAM AND WADOS TUNES Let's not discuss seasons. That's why we are confused here. Kiahk and Great Lent and Annual expositions, both Adam and Wados, are the same. The respective tunes do not change for any of those seasons so le…
  • If I may give a more conclusive response,  The tunes handed down for the expositions are as follows:  1) Annual has separate Adam and Watos tunes. These tunes are used also in Kiahk and Great Lent.  Adam order: a. Amoini Marenouosht b. Anon Kha N…
  • So I just watched this video.  I totally disagree with what he is saying, because: 1) Who is to say that the Western style of singing is the same as the Eastern and more specifically the Coptic way of chant?2) Most of these musical "scholars" are no…
  • Question: Did they include To Dipno in the Holy Thursday book? Seems like a set of books I need to get along with Tarteeb el bay3a lol
  • and the rest of the book? haha
  • Any way that you can scan it and get us a copy Mina?
  • Remnkemi,  I will work on getting a copy of the dalal, and the manuscripts. I believe they did release the exposition for the 9th hour of palm sunday and the manuscript behind it and that the synod okayed it. But that was a few years ago so I can't …
  • Just wanted to follow up with you guys, I spoke to them in Egypt and they told me that the Palm Sunday Mohayyar first verse was printed in dalal of St. Mena's monastery in 2003 or 2004. Saint Mena's Monastery has many old manuscripts and recent find…
  • In regards to the Mohayyar of Palm Sunday, I will contact Muallem Ibrahim tomorrow and ask him exactly what the reason is for its addition In regards to abenshois or bashois, the only one that should be abenshois is Great Lent. Everything else shoul…
  • @ophadece How can you claim ignorance? You haven't provided a source or a recording for a single opinion of yours. Those concepts are things that were taught and handed down by cantors that you now consider sources and have learned from...
  • If you have Cantor Hanna Mikhails recording please share it @Minasafwat. Thank you
  • I checked in volume four and couldn't find it last night.  I don't think it matters how we refer to it as long as we recognize that it is common practice in some seasons that the psalm 150 can have the same tune as the sharat. Not that it always fol…
  • Also, where are the notations for the hymn? in which section of NEwlandsmiths notes?
  • @minasafwat When I say the Upper Egypt sharat, I do not mean the hymns that are completely se3eedy like Zinneya, I mean the upper egypt rendition of the sharat known in cairo. 
  • @ophadece, There is such a thing. Maybe you'd prefer lobsh watos as a better terminology. But i mean the Watos tunes of the seasons. 
  • So a few things: 1) For Watos Tunes now, The Joyous one has Melismatic, Mohayyar, and RecitativeThe Palm Sunday one has the three as wellThe Annual one has the threeThe Lent Weekends Have the three The only two that are different are Lent Weekdays w…
  • @Rem thank you for the more educated stance as always.  I understand your logic in reaching the conclusion you did. I don't understand Ibn Kabars logic for the Watos tune. By that i mean i understand that he doesn't describe things but hazainy farai…
  • And on another side note, there is nothing wrong with innovation. The Church and its Hymns have changed and have been innovated and thats perfectly fine and part of nature. So even that is a faulty argument. What should never happen is uneducated in…
  • @ophadece  1) There are sources to show that the Palm Sunday or Feast of the Cross is to be prayed on the sherat. Just to let you know. 2) the Lenten sherat is not the same as that of the cross and palm sunday. 3) Like I said for the SHORT tunes of …
  • @ophadece, The Sherat from Upper Egypt (Se3eed) is that of Cantor Tawfik, and i have other recordings I can send you. It is different partially from that of Cairo.  Secondly, You must absolutely label everything as Cairo and Alexandria, and Upper Eg…
  • Cantor Zaher and Cantor Tawfiks Style is fit onto the Sherat of Upper Egypt which is different than that of Cairo. We've been through this about 10 times on the site.  Cantor Ibrahim learned the one he says from Cantor Emil of St. Georges church in …
  • We say them at my church says them as much as we can. Trailers are said after the psalms if the psalm is chanted or without the psalm both are fine. The tune for the specific ones you mentioned are on the short tune of je avsaji
  • @minatasgeel yes and no. A lot of times especially with bibnewma it was assumed to be a part of the rite even when it wasn't written or doesn't have a necessary explanation. Ordination and Reception of priests too and others. Generally it seems that…