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  • Hello,
    I had a question. Before anyone goes crazy on me, I'm not trying to start a discussion lol. I'm simply looking to be directed to information if it exists out there. Does anyone know where I might be able to find Orthodox sources (credible, not written by some random person) discussing homosexuality, transsexuality (i.e. sex changes), as well as altering one's body other than for health reasons (for example, removing uterus for women, etc., vasectomy for men, etc.)? More specifically if it discusses what happens if a person does this and if they can be forgiven or not...thanks a lot in advance.
    I'll stress it again, I need credible sources please. Thanks a lot.
  • GODlovesme! You're back too!

    The pope wrote a book on homosexuality:
    http://tasbeha.org/content/hh_books/ordofwom/index.html
    I haven't read it, so I don't know how good the translation it is.

    Just in case, I want to say:
    DON'T DO IT, PLZ. IT'S NOT THE ANSWER  :( :( :(
  • Transgenderism was created recently (in the 1900's), so you won't find any church fathers or scripture to address it, but if you nag Fr. Peter enough, he might write something up!  ;)

    PS: Have you read/seen David Reimer's story?

    It's 5 parts:




  • Here are some links:

    Orthodox Wiki: Homosexuality
    http://orthodoxwiki.org/Homosexuality

    The Homosexual Christian
    http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/ethics/hopko_homosexual_christian.htm

    Understanding Homosexuality: An Orthodox Christian Perspective
    http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles6/MorelliHomosexuality2.php
    http://www.antiochian.org/node/17905

    An Orthodox Christian's Struggle
    http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles4/AnonymousStruggle.php



    Here are some podcasts:

    Orthodoxy and Homosexuality, Part One
    http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/stevethebuilder/orthodoxy_and_homosexuality_part_one

    Orthodoxy and Homosexuality, Part Two
    http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/stevethebuilder/orthodoxy_and_homosexuality_part_two

    Theological Vision: Orthodox Christian Faith and Human Sexuality
    http://byztex.blogspot.com/2011/10/orthodox-church-and-homosexuality.html

    Spiritual Practice: Orthodox Christian Faith and Homosexual Attraction and Behavior
    http://byztex.blogspot.com/2011/10/orthodox-church-and-homosexuality.html

    Orthodox Christianity and Homosexuality (Alternate Link)
    http://ancientfaith.com/announcements/orthodox_christianity_and_homosexuality

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  • servant33,
    Thanks for the link. I think I have the PDF file on my computer.

    TITL,
    Yeah. That's a shame...I was hoping maybe there was...I was hoping for something that was already written lol. I kinda want the information soon. Yes, I actually read parts of the book about his life for my sociology class like four years ago or something...but I want something Orthodox, this is just telling his life story, I want something with more substance that addresses the problem and if the action is done, the consequences and the forgiveness/no forgiveness aspect through the Orthodox church's perspective.

    +TheGodChrist+,
    Thank you for the links.

    Perhaps this would be a good time to clarify my question...I put homosexuality there because it is generally lumped in with transsexuality. Thank you for the information that was posted on homosexuality. However, I'm more interested in information on transsexuality. Thanks.
  • [quote author=TITL link=topic=12654.msg148576#msg148576 date=1323219236]
    On transgenderism: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,41475.msg677623.html#msg677623
    [/quote]

    Thanks TITL, but nowhere in the thread does it provide credible sources...they're discussing a news story. I'm sincerely not interested in what an individual person has to say about the topic. I'm looking for a source that I can trust, for example, Church Fathers, people like Fr. Thomas Hopko, etc.
  • Agape,

    I'm not aware of any books on sex reassignment therapy from an Orthodox perspective. I believe it's an issue that's dealt with directly with the discernment of a father of confession, and in some cases with a council of priests/bishops and the family - depending on the circumstances.

    From my understanding of the issue, transsexualism and transgenderism are both not accepted in any Orthodox church, so sex reassignment would not be permitted. On the other hand, sex reassignment might be permitted, with the discernment mentioned in the above paragraph, in cases of intersexuals.
  • Dzheremi is credible!!  ;D
  • [quote author=TITL link=topic=12654.msg148580#msg148580 date=1323220063]
    Dzheremi is credible!!  ;D
    [/quote]

    Along with your shoutbox, a credibility meter would be a nice touch. ;D
  • Can I be the credibility meter?  ;)

    Dzheremi = 8.3

    He's not baptized yet.
  • [quote author=✞TheGodChrist✞ link=topic=12654.msg148583#msg148583 date=1323223067]
    [quote author=TITL link=topic=12654.msg148580#msg148580 date=1323220063]
    Dzheremi is credible!!  ;D
    [/quote]

    Along with your shoutbox, a credibility meter would be a nice touch. ;D
    [/quote]

    DUDE THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME!

    Back to the question. HG Bishop Youssef commented on transsexuals here:
    http://www.suscopts.org/q&a/index.php?qid=1671&catid=726
  • [quote author=TITL link=topic=12654.msg148584#msg148584 date=1323223963]
    Can I be the credibility meter?  ;)

    Dzheremi = 8.3

    He's not baptized yet.
    [/quote]
    Wait a minute. If Dzheremi - 8.3, then Remnkemi = -11.5 at least. Is there a way to write -11.5 to 1000th power? That's probably what the TITL the credibility meter would give me because I keep crashing her parties.
  • [quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=12654.msg148656#msg148656 date=1323288309]
    Wait a minute. If Dzheremi - 8.3, then Remnkemi = -11.5 at least. Is there a way to write -11.5 to 1000th power? That's probably what the TITL the credibility meter would give me because I keep crashing her parties.
    [/quote]

    I sense a hint of overconfidence...

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  • First, Dzheremi isn't -8.3; he's +8.3.

    Second, it was Jimmy's party you crashed. You can make it up by giving him a metania _/\o

    Third, you and ILSM are the same on my meter: 3.4

  • I agree that Dzheremi is +8.3. I think I would be -3.4. And I'm assuming -3.4 is the lowest dial on the credibility meter. So that would make sense for me.
  • Your humbala act to get me to have pity and increase your score isn't working. I had you at the same level as ILSM (which is an honor), but since you're pushing it, you're down to +3.3.

    Anyone else want to be evaluated?
  • In the words of Al Gore and the US Supreme Court Bush vs. Gore, 2000:

    RECOUNT
  • LOL! We really do need a shoutbox so we don't keep hijacking threads to discuss other awesome things.
  • Biboboy, thank you.

    servant33,
    Thanks! Now, that's a start...if anyone finds anymore information, that would be great, thanks!


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