I have a problem. I know that this post is very lenghty, but this is not just a personal matter, its a SERIOUS matter, about the church. And also about my friend. I have a friend who is done with the COC and he intends on going to an anglican church.
I am really confused and I will tell his arguments for this, but first I want to talk about a confusing matter.
Since i really need to say what my friend said about the Church leaders and not everything is personally at all, and my english is not that good, i will quote what he said. PLEASE don't report this post, this must to be posted to clarify the WHOLE PROBLEM!
His status: " At the same time there are a lot of good muslims ,youth and men
are refusing the second article in the constitution which say the islamic law is
the only reason for judge ,Pope shenouda head of the egyptian church declared that
he with the second article to stay !!"
I shocked when i saw this. I know that there are journalists who can lie and not speaking the truth, but i am confused.
This is what he & I commented on the status:
*Me: uhm. where did u hear that
I am not going to quote the following literally, but he joked around that he dreamed it, and then i said that he dont must
let satan deceive him ( i thought he was talking seriously) and than hw said he didn't dream it.
Then he asked why i need sources and if 1 source isn't enough. I said:
* because i need valid sources to know exactly what he said.
If someone wants me to believe anything, they need to come with valid sources, which prove what the Pope said.
*He: where can i get you 'sources' ?do you want pope shenouda comes to a screen
and say 'listen people as a christians head in egypt i say yes to the
islamic law to be continued in egypt and **the christians here!",
I i don't want you to believe or not believe i say that as a
historical documentation to his words. Then he said "what if i get you ONE
source ?do you will ask for another ones ? what if this source wasnt
inside the church as usual but some journalists working in pubic
journals in egypt ? what if there were more than one journals ?
you know what's that looks like ,,it's look like what he said about
rebuilding the burning police station .the same you'll not find a
'sources' from the church! but it's in the close meeting and leaks
.. so easy it's dirty but effective (politics,hidden messages,leaks)"
Me:omg, do u really believe those journalists? Those people
say everything, all of rubbish, just to attract people to the media and to let
them hear some 'juicy' info. Pope Shenouda will NEVER say that the islamic law
must to be continued..., seriously, he is the POPE, yeah then why we
don't call him "sheikh" if he wants this law to be continued? Our Pope wants
to protect his children and he must be politic with the muslims, cause if he
wasn't, it would have be MUCH worse for the copts in Egypt. There are copts who
asked for the pope's support, and that's why the Pope wants to help us and he
tries to do his best. If he wants the islamic law to stay, than WHY does he cry
in this video
(see: 6:00) about the
persecution of copts?
* Me: any sources outside the church are not trustful
Then he told me that the problems are:
1-I'm not living in Egypt
2-I don't know the system here
3- the same pope shenoudais writing weekly in these rubbish journals
4-I don't want to believe
Me: yes, i am not living in Egypt thats right. But how can a
POPE who is the leader of the coptic orthodox church, wants the islamic law to
stay? That's ridiculous. The pope don't even read these journals, he said on
ctv, cause there are only rumors, than how does he write in them, lol. I don't
believe it, exactly, unless I get valid sources, not from stupid journalists of
satan who wants to destroy the church. I am not going to say anymore else, this
is my opinion, and if U believe that Pope Shenouda should be replaced by
another one, than I wil say : PRAY, and for sure God will answer and if he is
not good enough, he will show it soon. Come back to me if u have concrete
Then he sent me these links: http://www.wataninet.com/News.aspx?N=3548
It's in arabic but i transalated it with google:Said His Holiness Pope Shenouda III, in an exclusive interview today with the
leaders and servants of the churches that he is refusing to cancel the second
article of the Constitution, but it calls for adding an article of the
Constitution provides that the right of Copts also be judged them according to
their religion, as explained by His Holiness that, despite that the Muslim
Brotherhood formed party the center and in the process of the Party (Community)
and also demanding that the Salafi party but it was not in favor of the Copts
to be an independent party, but their best to establish a political party
includes 12 million Coptic and all the moderate Muslims; because this is in
His Holiness stressed the importance of discussing our problems quietly and
Coptic is no need for violence, which he read on the net and sites if there is
any problem for the Clerical Council For the victim to submit this directly to
His Holiness. And supported the Pope's servants saw a need to adopt Aghapy and
CTV and preaching of the Gospel and the subject of a newspaper and a national
electoral card and the need to accelerate them out.
and these: http://dostor.org/politics/egypt/11/february/24/36908
open the first site ; http://www.wataninet.com/News.aspx?N=3548 ,, get
He said 'gournal watani' is a christian journal ,,so close to the church. What is this??!
My friend also told me:
there are muslims so happy for pope shenouda
muslims commented on a christian ,church's journal
says pope okay with the second article but take care the christians!!