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Sure, sure. I'm just saying that this essentially what you have in OCA with regards to its ties to its Russian mother church, but it is not really to cater to the American culture specifically. Forgive me, but I read your previous post as saying essentially that since we can't have Western art and music in the Coptic Orthodox Church, a separate church could be set up under the Coptic patriarchate that could have those things for the converts who are of that cultural background, so that they're not made uncomfortable. I countered with the example of the OCA because that is a church that is almost 100% for western converts (and I suppose people from "orthodox ethnicities" who are separated from their ancestral language and culture), and yet it does not really embrace the American culture in so far as there are many parts of that culture that are not congruent with Orthodoxy.
Mikhail, the OCA has its roots in the Russian Orthodox Church, not Greek.
the Coptic tunes. There is an ancient and Orthodox tradition of Western chant, and a great many specialists with extensive knowledge and experience. The choice is not between Coptic/Arabic chant and Protestant hymns. It is between an Eastern Chant that is at times not culturally appropriate to Western culture, and a Western tradition of chant that goes back as early as the Coptic tradition. I am sure that some sympathetic fusion of the two is possible.
I have advocated a multi-cultural model found in the early Apostolic period (no Greek vs. Jew, no male vs. female, no Copt vs. convert).
and secondly, the Orthodox Church has to become more catholic - i.e. UNIVERSAL.. it should not be a CHurch for a particular nation, but for ALL nations. Now, does this mean unity with the Catholics? Not necessarily, although some traditionalist catholics would not object to this idea at all.
As I said earlier, we worship God, not our languages and cultures. It is a sin to create the idol of Coptic and worship it.
I don't feel like I have to give up the Egyptian identity to have a strong christian church.
the after-church meal IS for normal socializing. You want a more spiritual atmosphere? go to bible study, or one of the youth outtings or one of the many other spiritual activities our church has. meal time IS for socialization. it IS for making friends with other ppl in the church. The church meets our spiritual AND social needs. What's wrong with that?
I'm not against unity with any other church. I just don't see our culture as a barrier to our christian lives.If you're dying to give it up, there are white-washed coptic churches out there. I'm not saying that as a bad thing at all. I think its great. We want to include more people in the Orthodox faith, and those really help to do that! But that doesn't make all churches that hang on to the egyptian aspect kokha.